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To: mrjesse
You should have posted your correction on this thread, but those interested can click the link. In any case, your honesty is appreciated.

As to your argument, it should be obvious to any rational person that the truth and validity of a point is not at all lessened by however a madman or saint later employs it.

Should we believe in the geocentric solar-system model just because some good men believed it? If Hitler employed LaMarckian beliefs, would that give strength to Darwinism's reality? Of course not.

Simply associating someone with something is a distraction. Even if Stalin studied tornados, it doesn't save your house when one hits. Even if Hitler did use Darwinistic ideas, it doesn't lessen their validity.

Morals do not define reality...they operate within it. Hitler's moral or immoral behaviors or rationales or arguments are not tied to the reality.

295 posted on 06/20/2008 12:33:12 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring
You should have posted your correction on this thread, but those interested can click the link. In any case, your honesty is appreciated.

Thanks, Gondring. I replied from my "pings" list and didn't realize that I wasn't posting it to the correct thread.

To everyone: I made a stupid mistake when counting the word "evolution" in Mein Kampf (Murphy) and ended up grouping "revolution" with "evolution". The correct number is 14: 12 "evolution" and 2 "evolutionary." Again, my apologies.

Simply associating someone with something is a distraction. Even if Stalin studied tornados, it doesn't save your house when one hits. Even if Hitler did use Darwinistic ideas, it doesn't lessen their validity.

But it demonstrates that ideas can have consequences, and that if an idea logically allows what Hitler did, we'd better be absolutely sure that the idea is true -- that its story did unquestionably happen.

Morals do not define reality...they operate within it. Hitler's moral or immoral behaviors or rationales or arguments are not tied to the reality.

What reality?

What's your (or any atheist's) best logical argument, based on the true atheist beliefs, that what Hitler did was universally wrong?

In other words, what argument would one pure atheist use to argue to another pure atheist against doing what Hitler did?

The best I have seen so far is "It doesn't seem logical." But that's not really an argument. I'm positing that there is no logical reason for a true pure atheist not to do what Hitler did, should said atheist have such an inclination.

-Jesse

302 posted on 06/21/2008 10:53:47 PM PDT by mrjesse (Could it be true? Imagine, being forgiven, and having a cause, greater then yourself, to live for!)
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