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Darwin's Dystopia : Darwinism and Hitler's Eugenics Program
tothesource.org ^ | May 8, 2008 | Dr. Benjamin Wiker

Posted on 05/24/2008 9:04:49 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: Gargantua

LOL! Good spoof!


61 posted on 05/24/2008 10:55:49 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance
Scientific method and archaeological findings are two very different things.

There's more than one type of scientific method. And archaeological findings are results, while the other is a method. So...?

Since the Theory is still theory, it's not in fact science per se,

HUH?!?!?!?

The dispute about any Darwin/Hitler/eugenics connection, by the way, is being used as a red herring to distract from the even bigger issues.

Agreed.

62 posted on 05/24/2008 10:57:54 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance
Scientific method and archaeological findings are two very different things. Since the Theory is still theory, it's not in fact science per se, it's a belief system--often in fact a religion practiced by fanatics whose origins insecurity is overcompensated by dogmatic assertions and with frauds like Piltdown Man that help perpetuate 'research' funding.
Uuuuumm.... You don't understand science *at all*. Gravity and the rest of Newtonian mechanics are theories too. Can you stop believing in gravity and levitate?
63 posted on 05/24/2008 11:00:20 PM PDT by ketsu
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To: Gondring

“the Theory is still theory, it’s not in fact science per se”

The Theory of Evolution is definitely not established as factual, scientific-method-proven verified fact.

;^)


64 posted on 05/24/2008 11:02:23 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: shineon

My goodness, you’re the most militantly ignorant poster in the history of creationist threads on FR. That’s pretty impressive.


65 posted on 05/24/2008 11:04:31 PM PDT by ketsu
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance
The Theory of Evolution is definitely not established as factual, scientific-method-proven verified fact.
Uuuuuuuum...
66 posted on 05/24/2008 11:05:45 PM PDT by ketsu
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To: ketsu

Take them all, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Elijah, Elisha, David, Solomon, Joseph, Samuel, Jonah, Job they were all living in a world full of evil.

Racism is not even hinted at in the Bible and it all boils down to the teachings of the revelation of Jesus Christ the Son of God.

Jesus taught every Christian to love their neighbor.
Who is your neighbor the scholars asked?
He who is in need.

The meek shall inherit the earth.

That is the exact opposite of Darwin. Diametrically opposed.


67 posted on 05/24/2008 11:06:16 PM PDT by shineon
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To: Gondring
Keep it up for as long as you can. The satisfaction that comes from smug quips is painfully shallow and short-lived, but in truth, it's all you have.

;-)

68 posted on 05/24/2008 11:07:05 PM PDT by Gargantua (Be sure to bring the barbecue sauce...)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Darwinists have tried mightily to convince the American public that Darwinism is true and have mostly failed.”

In fairness, most Americans don’t know the difference between an atom and a molecule, or the difference between our solar system and our galaxy. Frankly, the ability to convince the public of anything is the poorest test of its veracity.


69 posted on 05/24/2008 11:08:06 PM PDT by navyguy (Some days you are the pigeon, some days you are the statue.)
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To: shineon
Take them all, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Elijah, Elisha, David, Solomon, Joseph, Samuel, Jonah, Job they were all living in a world full of evil.

Racism is not even hinted at in the Bible and it all boils down to the teachings of the revelation of Jesus Christ the Son of God.

Jesus taught every Christian to love their neighbor. Who is your neighbor the scholars asked? He who is in need.

The meek shall inherit the earth.

That is the exact opposite of Darwin. Diametrically opposed.

Sigh... you have *no* idea what the 1860's were like do you?
70 posted on 05/24/2008 11:09:29 PM PDT by ketsu
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To: ketsu

Forget the sunscreen.


71 posted on 05/24/2008 11:11:40 PM PDT by Gargantua (Be sure to bring the barbecue sauce...)
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To: shineon
The only thing he proved is that death and mutations cause change. Thank God we have something greater in our soul than a hope in the changes created by death and mutation.

The conflict between "nature red in tooth and claw" and our human yearning for utopian peace is reflected in Isaiah 11:6-9, "... and the lion shall eat straw like the ox" etc.

Of course, these verses have been the subject of endless exegesis of all kinds, including the idea that the present state of nature is "fallen", that it does not reflect God's ideal nature, but a corrupted and debased existence, at some time to be corrected.

So don't blame Darwin! ... "he didn't start the fire."

72 posted on 05/24/2008 11:12:37 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: ketsu
Sigh... you have *no* idea what the 1860's were like do you?
No I don't. Not really. I was born in 1957.
When I think of 1860, I think of Quaker Oats.


73 posted on 05/24/2008 11:15:41 PM PDT by shineon
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To: ketsu

More surely even than anticipated objections to firm insistence on proper defining and use of scientific method, I can replicate the effects of gravity. I can replicate the rate of acceleration of the falling apple, etc.

Universally verifiable and replicable.

As opposed to a tooth or bone fragment or fraudulent Piltdown skull from which one can construct a fantasy animal and make-believe a place in the ‘fossil record’ for it, to much fanfare.

Let’s call religion religion, science science and theory theory, since only from that honest forum will any worthwhile discussion ensue; I have no time for any other kind.

It’s late. Good-night.


74 posted on 05/24/2008 11:16:11 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: shineon

From their website...

Quaker’s history traces back to 1901, when several American pioneers in oat milling came together to incorporate under the name The Quaker Oats Company. It all started in the late 1800s when three different Midwest milling companies had independently begun to process and sell high-quality oats for the consumer giving the American family a product that would be superior in quality to the oats sold in open barrels at general stores.

In Ravenna, Ohio, Henry D. Seymour and William Heston had established the Quaker Mill Company and registered the now famous trademark.
In Cedar Rapids, Iowa, John Stuart, his son Robert and their partner, George Douglas, operated the largest cereal mill of the time.
Ferdinand Schumacher, known as “The Oatmeal King,” founded German Mills American Oatmeal Company in 1856, after selling oats in his Akron, Ohio, store for two years.
Combining these companies after the turn of the century brought together the top oats milling expertise in the country and gave the newly formed corporation a name that even then was a symbol of quality and purity.


75 posted on 05/24/2008 11:19:12 PM PDT by shineon
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To: shineon
Darwin was a racist. He wrote with scientific accuracy and style that at least one race was ignorant and closer to the animals/Apes.

You should check out Antiquity of Man (1915) by Piltdown scientist Sir Arthur Keith. It has lots more of that "scientific" comparison between monkeys, ape-men, and Tasmanian savages and such. You can pick it up here .

76 posted on 05/24/2008 11:27:44 PM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Darwinism!)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance
The Theory of Evolution is definitely not established as factual, scientific-method-proven verified fact.

I've always said that this is good enough for me ... but I'm easy.

Still, I don't see how else it can be viewed.

77 posted on 05/24/2008 11:30:00 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance
More surely even than anticipated objections to firm insistence on proper defining and use of scientific method, I can replicate the effects of gravity. I can replicate the rate of acceleration of the falling apple, etc.

Universally verifiable and replicable.

As opposed to a tooth or bone fragment or fraudulent Piltdown skull from which one can construct a fantasy animal and make-believe a place in the ‘fossil record’ for it, to much fanfare.

Let’s call religion religion, science science and theory theory, since only from that honest forum will any worthwhile discussion ensue; I have no time for any other kind.

It’s late. Good-night.

Uuuumm... You realize the physicists and biologists who "use the scientific method" cheat all the time right? They're constantly getting busted for doctoring results and making stuff up. Piltdown man is hardly an anomoly.

Also evolution and physics are more similar than you think. There are plenty of physical models like gravitation, where *we have no idea* why they work like they do. We just know that we can observe them.

Evolution is no different. We can observe the outcomes of evolution(fossils of extinct species, similarities of DNA in related species etc...) and even limited examples of speciation(drosophila, green warblers and salamanders).

78 posted on 05/24/2008 11:32:51 PM PDT by ketsu
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To: ketsu
You enjoy parading your ignorance don't you? Don't worry I'm not going to stop you from looking stupid.

You did say that "everything in science is false", didn't you? Why, if I remember correctly, you even highlighted everything with asterisks, like so: "*everything* in science is false." Have you changed your mind about this recently?

79 posted on 05/24/2008 11:38:51 PM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Darwinism!)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

LOL... The fact that fundies have appropriated materialism so thoroughly is really quite bizarre. You don’t understand *anything* about your own beliefs do you?


80 posted on 05/24/2008 11:42:23 PM PDT by ketsu
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