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Trail of Tall Tales: John McCain
FoxNews.com ^ | May 22, 2008 | FoxNews.com

Posted on 05/22/2008 12:13:34 PM PDT by redtetrahedron

Sen. John McCain has long presented himself as that rare bird in politics: an inveterate straight-shooter. But does campaign strain have McCain’s Straight Talk Express veering off course?

A string of incidents stemming from the senator’s two presidential runs suggests he’s no less fallible than any other candidate — and just as capable of adjusting facts to suit his purpose.

1. Confederate Flag Over South Carolina Capitol, April 19, 2000 During the run-up to the South Carolina Republican primary in February 2000, McCain was asked whether he felt the Confederate flag should be removed from atop the statehouse.

Non-truth: McCain stated publicly that it was up to South Carolinians to decide.

Truth: Two months later McCain said he believed “the flag should be removed” from the Capitol. “I feared that if I answered honestly, I could not win the South Carolina primary. So I chose to compromise my principles,” he said. “I broke my promise to always tell the truth.”

Source: “Excerpts from McCain’s Remarks on Confederate Flag,” New York Times, April 20, 2000.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
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To: Polybius; redtetrahedron; All

Amen Polybius! They also seem to be forgetting the brave men and women who are WILLINGLY laying down their lives. I wish I could have had a microphone and then played back what the Vice Commander of the Air Base and the Sgt who returned from Afghanistan gravely wounded but now recovered, said at a dedication ceremony last Sunday to an “Iraqi Freedom” monument for the upcoming Memorial Day weekend.

They were both very political speeches which surprised us. But they are living this war. They see what is going on. About shouldn’t leave Iraq and Afghanistan. That we are fighting an enemy that has wanted us dead for a long time.

There is a FReeper here by the name of SandRat. I suggest people click on his name and read one of the best written lists of WHY we must win this war I’ve ever read.

ONLY Senator McCain “gets it” out of the three candidates remaining. To not vote for him, is abandoning our troops. There is no other way you can look at this. The majority of our troops get it too. Our men and women who serve and sacrifice their lives. There have always been a fringe element in every branch that won’t agree with a Commander in Chiefs decision. Even Generals. But what has happened in this war has set new records! Not healthy for our country. Different type of media that went to our enemies and emboldened them, giving them aide and comfort to carry on, AGAINST our own. Our OWN!

I’ve posted so many excellent articles recently. But I’ll leave this post with this thought, (we are going to a fund raiser for the Senator today.) *(We’ll do anything we can to get this brave Senator elected.) His father served. HE’S BEEN THERE...he knows first hand the harm our troops go into. His own son has fought in this war.

My thought for all of you to ponder is this;

A grateful “nation” should always remember how we “became” one, and how we are kept a “safe and free one.” The soldier would like nothing more than to be at home with their loved ones, but their own families, friends and country require their duty and sacrifice. HONOR THEM!

Remember 9-11, so God willing, we never have to have another one on our soil. NEVER RETREAT IN THE FACE OF AN ENEMY...

Senator McCain works with both sides of the aisle. Respected conservatives, long time conservatives in his own party, respect him and support his candidacy. We as Americans need to get behind our candidate. We can’t let Osamma Bin Laden stand correct once again. He states we always run away...

He has said (I may have this quote slightly incorrect) that “We live to die, Americans live to live.” That’s why he thinks we will run from this war and we will lose. He thinks we did it in Beirut, and during the Clinton years. If we leave the middle east, they will come after us with a vengeance. Because their fatwa isn’t done yet. They will not have wiped the infidel off the face of the earth yet.

VH&W


21 posted on 05/22/2008 1:08:52 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife (We stand firm with the President and the troops, We never waiver! VOTE McCain!)
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To: 1035rep

I thought they were extremely KIND to Hitlery! I could’ve written a much better article! Gosh, if they needed material, they only needed to ask! LOL


22 posted on 05/22/2008 1:10:59 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife (We stand firm with the President and the troops, We never waiver! VOTE McCain!)
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To: TADSLOS

Should have pinged you to post 21.

So much to do, and so little time!

I keep asking this question, but no one ever answers. So who are you voting for? Obamma or Hillary?


23 posted on 05/22/2008 1:12:33 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife (We stand firm with the President and the troops, We never waiver! VOTE McCain!)
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To: americanophile

BUMP

FRegards


24 posted on 05/22/2008 1:14:21 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife (We stand firm with the President and the troops, We never waiver! VOTE McCain!)
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To: pissant

Meaning, beating up on McCain doesn’t do any good. He is the nominee.


25 posted on 05/22/2008 1:20:40 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: americanophile

Except beating up on him is not the same as setting the record straight. If you are going to vote for someone, don’t you think it best you know all his history, not just what you are being fed from the campaign?

It is not as if the dems are going to refrain from trumpeting every one of his flips, flops, eye pokes to conservatives, etc. No sense in FR sugar coating him either.


26 posted on 05/22/2008 1:24:35 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
I keep asking this question, but no one ever answers.

Because it's a pointless question that has already been chewed on in FR like a stringy piece of indigestible meat.

27 posted on 05/22/2008 1:26:14 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The GOP death march to the gravesite is underway.)
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To: pissant
"It is not as if the dems are going to refrain from trumpeting every one of his flips...

That's just it. I'm not going to help the socialists with their work, and I don't suggest you do so either. McCain is a fairly well known quantity. I liked Duncan Hunter too, but it's over, and whatever I disagree with McCain about he's a far better option if one has a conservative world view.

28 posted on 05/22/2008 1:30:18 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: redtetrahedron

If conservatives continue to hold oue nose and vote for the Republican socialist we still get a socialist and the RNC has no reason to do anything different.

Let the RNC suffer the consequences for socialist republicans running for office.

The enemy is SOCIALISM no matter which party it is found in.


29 posted on 05/22/2008 1:36:45 PM PDT by stockpirate (Typical bitter white person, not voting for McCain.)
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To: Paladin2
Should McCain become POTUS, his SCOTUS nominations will tell the tale.

Too bad that from his history, they will be more to the Liberals' liking than ours.

30 posted on 05/22/2008 1:40:54 PM PDT by Ingtar (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery. - ejonesie22)
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To: stockpirate
The enemy is SOCIALISM no matter which party it is found in.

The enemy is islamic jihad.

31 posted on 05/22/2008 1:42:17 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: americanophile

There is a pretty big debate among mnay conservatives whether or not to vote for McCain, both here on FR and in other conservative circles. Many are on the fence.

Nothing is going to stop anti-McCain folks here from posting about him. I’d suggest instead of complaining about that, that his allies put forth arguments FOR him.

For example:

The arguments FOR holding your nose and voting for him are good ones.

1) The only candidate left who understands the threat that the islamoscum pose.

2) The only candidate who will not turn a victory in Iraq into a defeat.

3) His vows to appoint conservative judges.

4) His vows to cut spending, earmarks, pork, and subsidies.

5) He does not hate America and its history.

6) He is pro-nuclear power.

7) He is generally anti-abortion.

All very important and all issues where he is monumentally superior to the socialists (dems).

Of course, we must weigh that against the negatives:

1) He is far more likely to get Amnesty passed than a democrat will. And he has every intention of doing so.

2) He is far more likely to get global warming legislation through than a democrat (he is a coauthor of the current legislation). The extreme harm this boondoggle will cause cannot be overstated.

3) He will be the leader of the ‘conservative’ party, the GOP, and take it decisively leftward.

4) His record on the 2A is not very good (better than the dems, but still not good).

5) He is far more likely to get additional restrictions on the 1st amendment (via his beloved 527 regulations) than a democrat.

6) He most assuredly will close Gitmo and end ‘waterboarding’, which shows a very unhealthy ‘respect’ he has for world opinion versus our national interests.

7) He has lately been going along with the Democrat/Huckabee line about the US having an arrogant foreign policy and we need to listen to our allies more.

8) He is far more likely to get the LOST passed into law than a democrat.

9) He is far less likely to lift a finger to improve the climate for manufacturing industries in our country than any of other GOP candidate that ran for the nomination.

10) He will continue to kneepad for the chinese communists, as he has done for years.

11) His ACU rating has been in a downward spiral for the last decade.

12) He has not proposed the elimination of a single Department, agency or bureau that I can recall.

13) He takes the democrat platform to heart on the issue of oil extraction in ANWR and the coasts.

14) He is, without a doubt, a globalist.

15) He is far more likely to get funding for embryonic stem cell research through than a democrat.


32 posted on 05/22/2008 1:44:09 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

One glaring omission in the article is McCain’s redaction of senate colleagues’ e-mails concerning his investigation of the Jack Abramhoff scandal and his dodging (until pressed) to own up to campaign contributions he received from Indian Casinos that Abramhoff represented WHILE he was pushing McCain-Feingold through the wickets. Trust McCain? I don’t think so.


33 posted on 05/22/2008 1:49:58 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The GOP death march to the gravesite is underway.)
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To: redtetrahedron
Source: “Excerpts from McCain’s Remarks on Confederate Flag,” New York Times, April 20, 2000.

The NY Times is questioning someone else's honesty? ROFL!

34 posted on 05/22/2008 2:00:37 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall cause you to vote against the Democrats.)
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To: stockpirate
Let the RNC suffer the consequences for socialist republicans running for office.

That's fine as long as you are willing to live with liberal judges on SCOTUS for the next several decades and with the taxes associated with socialized medicine for the rest of your life, and all without whining. You will definitely get both those things with Obama or Clinton.

35 posted on 05/22/2008 2:04:50 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall cause you to vote against the Democrats.)
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To: redtetrahedron
“I feared that if I answered honestly, I could not win the South Carolina primary.
So I chose to compromise my principles,”
he said.
“I broke my promise to always tell the truth.”

Gotta love that straight talk express. "I'll lie when it is beneficial or convenient."

36 posted on 05/22/2008 2:56:15 PM PDT by calcowgirl (Schwarzenegger and McCain are trying to castrate the elephant)
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To: Ramius

Focus on the topic, besides Muslums worked with Hitler, and the second most read book in that area is Hitler”s book.


37 posted on 05/22/2008 2:58:51 PM PDT by stockpirate (Typical bitter white person, not voting for McCain.)
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
I was being "fair and balanced" - the Hillary piece had already been posted, or I would have posted it first.
38 posted on 05/22/2008 2:58:54 PM PDT by redtetrahedron ("Before I formed thee in the bowels of thy mother, I knew thee" - Jer 1:5 | RIP Fred'08)
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
ONLY Senator McCain “gets it” out of the three candidates remaining. To not vote for him, is abandoning our troops. There is no other way you can look at this. The majority of our troops get it too.
Oh, don't worry. I am not advocating not checking the box next to McCain - just be sure we know the whole package deal we are getting - (see pissant's excellent post 32).
39 posted on 05/22/2008 3:11:45 PM PDT by redtetrahedron ("Before I formed thee in the bowels of thy mother, I knew thee" - Jer 1:5 | RIP Fred'08)
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To: redtetrahedron

I just saw a short clip, on Fox, showing McCain kissing up to the gay/lesbian freaks on the Ellen Degenerate show. What an absolutely worthless, pandering, insane, melanoma suffering idiot he has become. Become? Bad choice of the word; as far as I can tell, he has always been a pandering, stupid fool. He is on the road to historical insignificance with his “offend no one” campaign philosophy. I plan on writing in a candidate yet to be determined. None of the three media-chosen “candidates” deserve my vote, and they shall not have it.


40 posted on 05/22/2008 3:21:24 PM PDT by thelastvirgil
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