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How special interests and speculators manipulate the price of oil.
1 posted on 05/22/2008 5:51:25 AM PDT by wildbill
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To: wildbill

AOL and Lucent were at $80 a share
250,000 Homes were selling for 500,000
Hoping beyond hope Oil is next


2 posted on 05/22/2008 5:53:42 AM PDT by icwhatudo
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To: thackney

ping


3 posted on 05/22/2008 5:56:41 AM PDT by kcm.org (He became poor, so that we might be rich)
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To: wildbill

Also disclosing why the only things worse is government control.


4 posted on 05/22/2008 5:57:01 AM PDT by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: Shermy; okie01; thackney

ping


5 posted on 05/22/2008 5:57:39 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: wildbill

I share in this theory as well. You cannot discount the devalued USD, but that is also someone a rsult of energy prices. The bottom IS going to fall out of this, there is nohing substantial to support these prices. If only I could predict when... but then again, that is the million dollar question.


6 posted on 05/22/2008 5:58:44 AM PDT by FunkyZero
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To: wildbill

Yes, and once oil prices come down to earth, we will see the sob stories on the national news of offshore oil workers losing their jobs, etc., etc.


8 posted on 05/22/2008 6:04:00 AM PDT by magellan
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To: wildbill

Here's your "oil bubble"...................It ain't gonna pop any time soon..........

9 posted on 05/22/2008 6:04:18 AM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: wildbill
From a Telegraph story: "Saudi Arabia is adding 300,000 bpd to the market in response to a personal plea from President George Bush, and to placate angry Democrats on Capitol Hill - even though Riyadh insists that there are abundant supplies for sale."

Yet everytime the President asked, the media reported the Saudis told him no.

14 posted on 05/22/2008 6:09:17 AM PDT by Williams
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To: wildbill
I have observed that so many of the people I correspond with who were so quick to be happy when they could fret about a “housing bubble”, or previously an “asset bubble”, each having the mandatory “tipping point”, have not been nearly as interested in applying the same criteria to the rapid run-up in the price of oil and gasoline.

This tells me that their original scolding of the rest of us was not entirely based in economics, but maybe was really a projection of some other personal issue, like maybe they were secretly cheering what they hoped was the impending disaster. For stocks and real estate, the “disaster” would not be in the run-up in prices, but in the “collapse” that would follow. For oil, the “disaster” is high and ever-higher prices. Any collapse in price would only be good news for the economy. In previous asset bubbles the phrase “tipping point” was mentioned so often it got worn out. In this bubble, I have not seen the phrase used once.

20 posted on 05/22/2008 6:27:29 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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Maybe I’ve missed it but I would bet that mr Soros is involved somehow..funny this problem comes up the summer before an election two times in a row..???...mmmmmmm....adjusting tin foil, but only slightly..LOL


23 posted on 05/22/2008 6:34:07 AM PDT by conservativehusker (GO BIG RED!!!!)
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To: wildbill

I asked a couple of Bankers what they were doing with Deposits now they had cut down on Mortgage Lending. One said they were putting it into Commodities. I suggested that was speculative. He didn’t seem to think so.

So I believe the surplus Deposit money is driving up all commodity prices, not just oil, (and it’s an endless spiral cos the cash circulates from Depositor to Bank to Commodity to Depositor). The rules need to be changed so Banks can’t use Deposits to speculate.


32 posted on 05/22/2008 6:49:42 AM PDT by plenipotentiary
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To: wildbill

It has never been this easy to be a daytrader. Open a futures account. Fund it. Buy metals and oil futures on every single pullback. Take profits.


37 posted on 05/22/2008 6:56:52 AM PDT by montag813
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If this is really true, the speculators need to be thrown UNDER the jail and their families put into debtors’ prison.

This profiteering is not just fattening their wallets using our money — which is bad enough and worthy of harsh punishment. It’s emboldening and enriching the people that would kill us. And that my friends is treason.


39 posted on 05/22/2008 6:59:44 AM PDT by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender!)
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To: wildbill

If some traders wanted to do this and since the Futures Market is a paper trade, the price could be manupulated down.
One way would be for several groups of traders put in buys for a example about of $90.00 per barrel and then another group sells that paper for $90.00 that morning. Late that same day, it is done again but for example down to $85.00 per barrel.

The next day put in the same buy for $85.00 and then trade that paper to the same opposing group. A few hours later, lower the buy price to $80.

If enough paper trading is flashing across everyone’s radar, a panic sell off of paper could result.

79 posted on Thursday, May 22, 2008 8:16:17 AM by Deaf Smith (Don’t pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight he’ll just kill you.- John Steinbeck)


40 posted on 05/22/2008 7:02:13 AM PDT by Deaf Smith
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I’ve given up on waiting for the increase to supply or the decrease in demand to bring down the price.
We cannot afford (as a family) to do nothing.
We traded in our Fords for Toyotas already.
We’ve cut down on driving - but even that isn’t helping us now.
I’m doing grocery shopping at Aldi’s and Sam’s (buying bulk).

I am not a green thumb, but we recently bought a book on square foot gardening and will give that a try this summer.

Our next step is to figure out the best alternative to our oil fuled furnace - which is only 7 yrs. old.

We’d like to figure out a way to keep the furnace, but power it with a different source.

We also live on top of a very windy hill with enough land for wind power - but in NY the cost of implementing wind energy is out of our reach.


46 posted on 05/22/2008 7:13:50 AM PDT by Scotswife
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Pinging you for your take on this. I’m as surprised as anyone about the fact that Iran is storing its supply in tankers offshore due to being out of land-based storage.

I was aware we, the US, had decreased our consumption (116 B brls per day?) than in the past, but was unaware of the ‘over-supply’ inferred in this article.


48 posted on 05/22/2008 7:21:11 AM PDT by GreenAccord (Bacon Akbar!)
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To: wildbill

Could somebody please tell me WHO these speculators are and WHY nobody in talking about them?


52 posted on 05/22/2008 7:26:16 AM PDT by oldvike
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To: wildbill

CNBC is a willing co-conspirator for all the hedge funds who have their hacks on forecasting $150 or $200/bbl. oil. They are all in bed together, promoting the Democrat victory in Nov. They should all be sued when the bubble bursts, as it most definitely will.
It is heartening though, to see that the Congressional hearings with the oil company execs are being universally panned by everyone. The publicity hogs in D.C. have worn out that old propaganda gambit, and no one believes they can do anything about the price of oil.
However, I would like to see someone ask Nancy Pelosi why the price of gasoline has almost doubled since the Dems took over Congress in ‘06. When they campaigned on “doing something about the price of oil” the voters didn’t think they meant they’d double the price.


62 posted on 05/22/2008 7:46:27 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: wildbill

btt


93 posted on 05/23/2008 2:50:38 AM PDT by dennisw
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