RE PROUTY:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2017374/posts?page=43#43
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2017374/posts?page=43#43
Sorry about that.
The second link in post no. 10 is this:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2017374/posts