Bush Plays the Hitler Card (by Pat Buchanan - sickening!)

Townhall.com ^ | May 20, 2008 | Patrick J. Buchanan

[EveningStar]

"A little learning is a dangerous thing," wrote Alexander Pope.

Daily, our 43rd president testifies to Pope's point.

Addressing the Knesset on the 60th anniversary of Israel's birth, Bush said those who say we should negotiate with Iran or Hamas are like the fools who said we should negotiate with Adolf Hitler.

[steve-b]

You and your kind want "victory" over Islamic fundamentalism. Well, what does such "victory" look like?

It looks like the decay of the grip Islamic fundamentalism holds over its subjects, in much the same way that the grip of Communism decayed in the face of the superior Western cultural and economic example.

Since Pat opposes the engines of victory (individual liberty, capitalism, secularism), he has nothing to contribute here.

[AndyJackson]

Pat opposes the engines of victory (individual liberty, capitalism, secularism)...

He does? Really? Knock me down with a feather! You wouldn't happen to have something he wrote handy so I can read more about it would you? Anyone who would take those kinds of positions must be vile indeed, and I want to see where Pat took them so I can justly revile him.

[rmlew]

This is an ignorant self-contradictory statement. Realpolitik is not ideology. Its foundation is that you avoid ideology and take the world for what it is, force without metaphysical overlays.
No, Realpolitik is an ideology that holds that all other ideologies are irellevent in understanding foreign affairs or predicting actions.

[rmlew]

You have just proven yourself a failure in reading comprehension. Reread post 132 and follow the links.
Then take 10 seconds to cogitate and as an adult take back your disproven assertions.

[AndyJackson]

Once again, you made the statement: blinded by the suicidally stupid ideology of realpolitik

Realpolitik- Definition: politics based on practical and material factors rather than on theoretical or ethical objectives

If you are suicidally blinded by your idealogy, it is not realpolitik. If you are conducting realpolitik, whatever the issue that threatens you, you have accounted for it in your policy calculus, and so you cannot be suicidally blind (which I presumes means that you intentionally neglect something knowing that it will be fatal).

[AndyJackson]

Ok you are not a bushbot. Still my substantive comments about your comments about Pat Buchanan losing it still stand. Pat has a rational point about not learning the wrong lessons of history. Negotiating is not the same as appeasing. If one of the lessons of history is not to appease mortal enemies, Pat's point is that you cannot contriving that to learn a false lesson about not negotiating with mortal enemies.

Its not that difficult a point, and I don't even see why it is all that controversial.

[rmlew]

Realpolitik- Definition: politics based on practical and material factors rather than on theoretical or ethical objectives
That is an ideological assertion.

If you are suicidally blinded by your idealogy, it is not realpolitik. If you are conducting realpolitik, whatever the issue that threatens you, you have accounted for it in your policy calculus, and so you cannot be suicidally blind (which I presumes means that you intentionally neglect something knowing that it will be fatal).
Umm, no.
If you base your analysis on the simplistic ideolgically motivated theoretic model that all humen behavior is rational and all groups have the same interests, then Jihadi suicide attacks or the Iranian belief that fire will bring the Messiah are inexplicable and are ignored. That is suicidal.

[rmlew]

Still my substantive comments about your comments about Pat Buchanan losing it still stand. Pat has a rational point about not learning the wrong lessons of history.
Unfortunately, he gets his history wrong and then plays counterhistory.

Negotiating is not the same as appeasing.
Entirely true. However, when people like Patty make use of a stick impossible, then all that is left is the size of the carrot.