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Piazza Oriana Fallaci al posto della moschea (Oriana Fallaci Plaza replaces mosque in Italy)
La Republica (Italy) ^ | may 18, 2008 | Repubblica

Posted on 05/19/2008 7:01:14 PM PDT by PapaBear3625

[translation thanks to Gates of Vienna]

Oriana Fallaci Square in place of the mosque

VERONA — Goodbye mosque. In its place, Oriana Fallaci Square.

This decision was taken by the committee of Oppeano (Verona, Italy), where yesterday morning a building used by Muslims for prayer was bulldozed. In its place, the Municipality will create a public square named after the writer of The Rage and the Pride, which promoted a bitter campaign against Islam.

The decision to raze the structure which had been opened by ONLUS [translator’s note: Organizzazione Non Lucrativa di Utilita’ Sociale, a non-profit registered Italian charity] “For the success of Muslims”, was taken by the municipal administration, which acquired the area for €70,000 in order to transform it into an open area for parking and green space.

“My citizens did not want this takeover,” explained the mayor, Alessandro Montagnoli, deputy of the Lega Nord, “above all because it could create problems of practicability and cohabitation with the residents.”


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To: Clemenza

My favorite is “Among the Believers: An Islamic Journey” A true masterpiece, if there is ever one. Muslims who hate Sir Naipaul for his supposed “Islamophobia” have probably never read his books. The muslim subjects in “Beyond Belief” and “Among the Believers” are often treated with understanding and affection by the author - even as he condemns Islam.

VS Naipaul blames Islam for muslim society’s ills and not muslims. To paraphrase one of his lines from his travelogues, “there was life in muslim societies before Islam.” A profound statement to those of us who have spent considerable time in Islamic/muslim majority communities.


21 posted on 05/19/2008 7:25:48 PM PDT by indcons
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To: 1rudeboy

Fabrizio Quattrocchi

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3628977.stm

Viva Italia!


22 posted on 05/19/2008 7:26:33 PM PDT by Buckhead
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To: indcons

I’ve read four or five of Naipauls books. He’s not afraid to offend people. He is always correct in his criticism and often very funny


23 posted on 05/19/2008 7:27:24 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: fishhound

Will this shot be heard around the world?

Thanks for the emphasis.


24 posted on 05/19/2008 7:27:24 PM PDT by givemELL
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To: indcons
there was life in muslim societies before Islam.”

Case in point: Persia.

25 posted on 05/19/2008 7:27:53 PM PDT by Clemenza (I Live in New Jersey for the Same Reason People Slow Down to Look at Car Crashes)
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To: 1rudeboy
Fabrizio Quattrocchi

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabrizio_Quattrocchi

26 posted on 05/19/2008 7:28:03 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie
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To: Fred Nerks

I know what you mean - I am trembling (slightly) with excitement as I post. Could Eurabia be turning a corner? Will we see the return to Old Europe?

I share nothing in common with Italians (except maybe a fondness for ravioli :) but I am so proud of some of them today.

May this spirit spread in Europe (and America and Asia and Australia and....)


27 posted on 05/19/2008 7:30:00 PM PDT by indcons
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To: PapaBear3625; indcons; SunkenCiv

http://www.nationalreview.com/dreher/dreher101002.asp

Oriana’s Screed
Truth we’re sure to miss.

The Rage and the Pride, by Oriana Fallaci (Rizzoli: New York, 168 pp., $14.95)

any New Yorkers spent the days and weeks following the September 11 massacre struggling to contain their sulfurous anger at what had been done to their city, their people, and their country, by followers of a religion whose holy book teaches that subjugation or death is the only fate owed to infidels. Oriana Fallaci, the 72-year-old Italian semi-exile who was once the most famous journalist in the world, was one New Yorker who did not wrestle with her fury; rather, she let it erupt in a book-length screed published in Italy’s leading newspaper 18 days after the attacks, under the title The Rage and the Pride.

The essay became a sensation, not only in Italy but throughout Europe, where it was published as a book in several translations. Fallaci and her blistering work were almost universally condemned as bigoted, hysterical propaganda, not only by Muslim leaders (which is understandable), but by politicians, churchmen, media figures, academics, and virtually the entire continental bien-pensant class. Her views resonated with the common people, though; The Rage and the Pride became a bestseller.

This important book has been translated (somewhat creakily) into English by Fallaci herself, and published in America, where it is, unfortunately, not likely to become the cause celebre it was in Europe. This is in part because Fallaci’s rhetorical blasts were directed primarily at a European audience, but mostly because the name Oriana Fallaci, which all but the youngest Europeans knows well, says nothing to Americans. The analogy is far from perfect, but try to imagine Barbara Walters writing a post-9/11 book in which she addresses Muslims as Fallaci does: “War you wanted, war you want? Good. As far as I am concerned, war is and war will be. Until the last breath.”

The best way to approach The Rage and the Pride is to imagine its author standing on the blasted heath of the World Trade Center ruins, hurling curses at her enemies like thunderbolts. And who are her enemies? Chiefly Muslims, who in Fallaci’s view adhere to a barbaric religion in which there is no important distinction between terrorists and the mainstream. Fallaci has scarcely more regard for contemporary Europeans, who she considers spoiled, decadent, intellectually corrupt, and incapable of perceiving the threat to Western civilization posed by Islam, much less able to defend the West against it.

There is nothing moderate about this white-hot polemic — which is both a vice and a virtue. It’s a vice, because Fallaci’s extreme vituperation tends to undermine the strength of her argument, making her come off at certain points as an out-of-control hothead (e.g., when she makes gutter remarks about the sexual desires and desirability of Muslims, and compares them to vermin). In the main, though, Fallaci’s lack of restraint is bracing, even invigorating, first of all because she has the truth on her side, and secondly because she intends through her rage to shock awake a noble civilization hypnotized by multiculturalist mumbo-jumbo, so that it might rise to preserve itself while it still may.

Fallaci, a lifelong Leftist, lacerates Europeans for cheap anti-Americanism, and holds up the confident and decent patriotism of American citizens as something that shames the faux-sophisticates of the continent, whose ancestors used to know what love of country was. Fallaci is at her best tearing into the “masochists” of Europe, whose sentimental and self-hating worldview “reveres the invaders and slanders the defenders, absolves the delinquents and condemns the victims, weeps for the Taliban and curses the Americans, forgives the Palestinians for every wrong and the Israelis for nothing.” Fallaci accuses them of having lost the confidence in the superiority of Western ideals, art, laws, and customs over Islamic counterparts, and of not wanting to face the reality of jihad, for fear of having to do something about it.

Not even the Pope, who has apologized to Muslims for the Crusades, and makes frequent (and unrequited) gestures of respect to them, escapes Fallaci’s wrath. “Most Holy Father,” she writes, “in all respect you remind me of the German-Jewish bankers who in the 1930s, hoping to save themselves, lent money to Hitler. And who a few years later ended in his crematory ovens.”

She asserts that Islamist terrorism is nothing new, but only “the most recent manifestation of a reality that has existed for 1,400 years.” Most Muslims the world over were happy with al Qaeda’s attacks on America, she contends, with some of the most radical terrorist sympathizers living in European capitals, advocating jihad on the free societies that have given them succor. Muslims, she argues, are incompatible with ancient European culture and society, and cannot be assimilated. She despises pampered Italians who disdain manual labor and refuse to have children, thus making immigration necessary. And she resents the vulgar and anti-social habits many Islamic immigrants have brought into Europe (especially their treatment of women).

Frankly, the few ugly parts of this book could make the whole thing dismissible as a work of frothing paranoid prejudice — if there weren’t so much truth beneath the sometimes-lurid rhetoric. Fallaci may write with a blowtorch, and somewhat carelessly, but she doesn’t lie. Writing in the October issue of Commentary, Christopher Caldwell points out that for all the condemnation Fallaci has received from her European peers, nobody has managed to get around to refuting her basic arguments. These people think it sufficient to smack around Fallaci for lacking manners. They are the same sort who have a grand-mal seizure when the Rev. Jerry Falwell calls the Prophet a “terrorist,” yet do not blink at the far-worse imprecations against Christians and Jews spewing from the mouths of imams throughout the Arab world every Friday.

The anti-Fallacists are also taking her to court. Yesterday in Paris, judges took up a motion filed by a coalition of Islamic and anti-racism groups, who are requesting in part that The Rage and the Pride be banned in France under a law intended to curb Holocaust denial. The trial is extremely important to the immediate future of Europe, and how it will deal with the clash of civilizations, which is much more intense there than most Americans can imagine. As a Fallaci lawyer said to her enemies, “Today the real danger is green [Islamic] fascism — and you want to forbid us to denounce it!”

Would The Rage and the Pride have been a better book had Fallaci reined in her caustic rhetoric, and written with more discipline? Absolutely, and it’s a shame that she made it easier for the dishonest media elite to ignore her. But remember, this is a document written amid the acrid smoke was still rising from the 16-acre crematorium down the street from Fallaci’s apartment. I can attest that that this elderly Italian virago perfectly captured the mood of the moment, when so many of us who are less articulate than she felt nothing but pride in our country and rage at the Islamic holy warriors who had done this to us (and their co-religionists who cheered them on). As I have written, many Americans have lost much of the righteous anger we felt in the immediate aftermath of the September 11 crime. Though The Rage and the Pride is not really meant for American readers, Oriana Fallaci brings it all back home, and speaks more necessary truth in her unfettered fury than you’ll hear from more politely equivocating souls. Aside from Christopher Hitchens, no other journalist is writing so pungently and courageously about the threat from Islamofascism and the useful idiots on the Left who are afraid to think, and afraid to fight. So let her rant. Like Flannery O’Connor said, when the world is deaf, you have no choice but to shout.


28 posted on 05/19/2008 7:31:25 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: PapaBear3625

GRRRRRREAT news!


29 posted on 05/19/2008 7:32:22 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: PapaBear3625
a building used by Muslims for prayer was bulldozed...

I hope they were still inside...

30 posted on 05/19/2008 7:35:20 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (Simple-minded conservative...)
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To: PapaBear3625

Italy is overtly hostile (racist and xenophobic) toward blacks and arabs - has been for quite some time. This action is no suprise. Suprising only that they didn’t burn the place to the ground before bulldozing.

Serie A and B soccer leagues there can skew closer to Klan rallies than sporting events - with overt flying of nazi flags and swastikas and chants aimed at black (African) players.

Here’s a quick look:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/soccer/worldcup/2006-06-01-intolerance-cup_x.htm


31 posted on 05/19/2008 7:36:02 PM PDT by sbMKE
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To: an italian

PING


32 posted on 05/19/2008 7:36:23 PM PDT by B Knotts (Calvin Coolidge Republican)
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To: dennisw

Anybody who is condemned by Edward Said is a true scholar in my book.

Naipaul is also condemned by some in the Third World in addition to the usual Islamist suspects. However, as you point out, he’s not afraid to offend people and is a true critic (who goes under the surface to analyze the causes, reasons, and origins of the subjects in his stories).


33 posted on 05/19/2008 7:36:58 PM PDT by indcons
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To: PapaBear3625
to transform it into an open area for parking and green space.

It would seem a bar-b-que in the park would be appropriate. Maybe some Italian sausage...

34 posted on 05/19/2008 7:41:26 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (Simple-minded conservative...)
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To: Onelifetogive

From Post 28: “Fallaci and her blistering work were almost universally condemned as bigoted, hysterical propaganda, not only by Muslim leaders (which is understandable), but by politicians, churchmen, media figures, academics, and virtually the entire continental bien-pensant class. Her views resonated with the common people, though; The Rage and the Pride became a bestseller.”

If all those groups disliked this book, I must buy a copy and read it.


35 posted on 05/19/2008 7:42:16 PM PDT by Maine Mariner
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To: 353FMG
I don’t think that something like this could ever happen here in the US. Just imagine the ACLU getting violent fits.

If it can happen in Europe, it can happen here.

36 posted on 05/19/2008 7:43:38 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (The road to hell is paved with euphemisms.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

BRAVO!!!!!!!!!!!


37 posted on 05/19/2008 7:47:28 PM PDT by shadowcat
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To: PapaBear3625

Che Donna....what a woman...


38 posted on 05/19/2008 7:55:38 PM PDT by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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To: PapaBear3625

The Italians may just end up being the saviors of the free world.

I hope others across The West take this as an example of the best way to deal with mohammedans.

Raze their indoctrination centers and rename the reclaimed ground after warriors who stood against the koranic horde.


39 posted on 05/19/2008 8:04:55 PM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg ("Shut the hell up, New York Times, you sanctimonious whining jerks!" - Craig Ferguson)
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To: PapaBear3625; dighton; Ezekial; martin_fierro
This decision was taken by the committee of Oppeano (Verona, Italy), where yesterday morning a building used by Muslims for prayer was bulldozed. In its place, the Municipality will create a public square named after the writer of The Rage and the Pride, which promoted a bitter campaign against Islam.

Perfecto!

40 posted on 05/19/2008 8:08:36 PM PDT by aculeus
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