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To: UCANSEE2
The state of Texas has crossed a few more lines in the past few weeks. They imprisoned innocent adults without due process. So far two of the “minors” have been released after having proven themselves to be legal adults. In one case the young lady had produced both her birth certificate and drivers license as proof of age. The state of Texas refused to recognize these documents as proof of her age and continued to hold her in illegal captivity. They have since released this young lady and one more who was in similar circumstances. Texas now admits that up to twenty more “minors” held in mandated captivity without due process and without any charges of wrongdoing against them may be in fact legal adults.
That new little bitty line that Texas has crossed in this mess is the god given and constitutionally guaranteed right of freedom!!!!!!!!!
CAN WE ALL SAY CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATIONS????? The civil litigation of this last little blunder is going to be costly to the tax payers down that way. They forcefully took adults from their homes and have admittedly held them without charges even after the offered proof of their age. If you were asked to prove your age and they did not allow you to use your birth certificate of driver license to do so how would, or could you prove your age????? This bucket of worms is about to turn carnivorous and start eating some Texas officials alive. By the way all of this information has come to light from comments and statements of the officials in Texas. These are all their own admissions.
8 posted on 05/18/2008 11:11:58 PM PDT by oldenuff2no (Retired AB ranger and damn proud of it!!! I served to support our constitution and our way of life.)
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To: oldenuff2no
They imprisoned innocent adults without due process.

What jail were they in and on what charges?

25 posted on 05/19/2008 5:23:02 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: oldenuff2no
They have a tough one on their hands. The more I think about it, the more they should have made the men leave the ranch and then monitored it while the process took place rather than rake up 400 plus innocent children and scatter them to the 4 winds. The hard part is that just because a church member or neighbor breaks the law doesn't mean I am also breaking the law. The guilt by association being assumed is ground breaking tyranny by civil law. Wasn't that how Hilter started by getting Jews out of the public baths and pools. Civil judges whereby the thresholds are much lower and the people don't have to vote.
27 posted on 05/19/2008 5:28:09 AM PDT by commonguymd (Let the socialists duke it out. All three of them.)
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To: oldenuff2no

” They imprisoned innocent adults without due process.”

No one has been put in prison, yet. The young lady was in Protective Custody. Here’s the thing. It doesn’t matter what age the GIRL/WOMAN was, she was pregnant. The BABY was in Protective Custody, and without a forced, instant caesarian-section, the mother had to go to.


“In one case the young lady had produced both her birth certificate and drivers license as proof of age. The state of Texas refused to recognize these documents as proof of her age and continued to hold her in illegal captivity.”

(I tried to get the ‘key’ to your long objections listed. Hope the above was it.)

What you say, is essentially true, but you are missing out on some things.

The ‘minors’ were difficult to identify, especially since they would changed their stories, or claimed not to know , and did not have any ID on them during the so called ‘RAID’.

Notice, in the PICTURES OF FLDS WOMEN, not a one of them carries a PURSE.

Now, I could line up a bunch of young ladies, from 12 to 20, and I bet you couldn’t guess a single one of their ages correctly.

So, in some of the cases of minors in custody, since the CPS was forced to guess, there will be some mistakes found.

....

Now, If they produced ‘proof’, you argue, why were they kept in custody.

The ‘answer’ is that this woman was ‘released’ from Protective Custody because the Judge was shown her ‘proof’ in a court of law, and that is the ONLY WAY that someone can be removed from PROTECTIVE CUSTODY.

By the Judge. Each ‘minor’ is getting their chance, in these individual custody hearings, to PROVE their age.

Yes, around 20 may be ‘adults’. Isn’t that at least a good thing? The LAW is being followed, and done in court, and not in the newspaper.


Does this mean that because the CPS had to guess, and was wrong, that there are not minors, who are pregnant, who are in custody properly?

No. How many?


” The state says more than half of the 53 girls ages 14 to 17 are pregnant or already have children. The sect says CPS is incorrectly including in that count 26 females who are actually 18 or older.”

53-26= 27 girls,age 14-17 ,pregnant or have children.


57 posted on 05/19/2008 9:40:19 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all pesters)
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