Posted on 05/18/2008 6:46:30 AM PDT by Sub-Driver
Bin Laden to issue "very strong" message: website Sun May 18, 2008 9:31am EDT
DUBAI (Reuters) - Osama bin Laden will issue a "very strong" statement to Muslims across the world soon, an Islamist website said on Sunday.
"A very strong statement to the Islamic nation by the lion of Islam sheikh Osama bin Laden," read a banner posted on the al Qaeda-linked website.
The website said the statement would be issued "soon", without giving further details. Such messages usually appear within 72 hours.
In his latest message, posted on Friday to mark Israel's 60th anniversary, bin Laden vowed to continue fighting the Jewish state and its allies in the West.
In a message on March 20, he urged Muslims to maintain the struggle against U.S. forces in Iraq as a path toward "liberating Palestine".
Al Qaeda has vowed attacks on Jews both inside and outside Israel and regularly expresses support for the Palestinians.
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I'm not so sure about that. I think there is value in keeping Bin Laden's death a secret. For one, it supresses the argument that the WOT is finished (he attacked us, he's dead, we're done). For another, he would be a martyr to the IslamoNazi cause (he's more valuable dead than alive - but only if they know it). My own personal belief is his corpse is buried beneath the rubble of some mountain blast near Tora Bora.
That should be “All hat, no cattle”.
If he is alive, nor do we know about it.
Everyone here based on the posts is under the assumption he is alive.
Everyone? Not me. I assume he's dead, and have seen no evidence to suggest otherwise in years.
If Bin Laden died, the Bush administration would parade the news around America (rightfully so).
You seem to be assuming the Bush Administration, unlike the rest of us, has some sort of magic device that you can put in someone's name and it lights up and rings bells if he is dead. Or something.
What if Osama bin Laden died of, oh I don't know, kidney failure in late 2004 in a secluded village in the Pakistan mountains, and then was quietly buried in an unmarked grave? How would the Bush administration (or anyone else outside that village, OBL's close circle of assistants, etc.) 'know' that he died, let alone be able to 'parade the news'?
This isn't rocket science; these are pretty obvious questions to ask of people insisting OBL still draws breath.
My own personal belief is his corpse is buried beneath the rubble of some mountain blast near Tora Bora.
What information do you have to support that belief?
I hope you are correct, that in fact Bin Laden is dead. I have often speculated whether he is still alive. I simply haven’t seen any evidence of his death. Furthermore, there are new video tapes released of him, which might suggest he is still alive ( I am aware these could be postmortem releases).
What I asked you was: what makes you think he is alive?
Furthermore, there are new video tapes released of him, which might suggest he is still alive ( I am aware these could be postmortem releases).
They might if the videotapes contained/referenced any recent events (which they don't) and were not heavily edited (which they are) and did not resemble (in clothing, setup) outtakes of footage known to have been shot years earlier (which they do).
Moreover, the fact that "Osama" releases fuzzy, incoherent, edited videotapes** occasionally, rather than often releasing indisputably, unequivocally recent and higher-quality recordings, itself provides circumstantial evidence that he no longer draws breath. A living Osama bin Laden would have every motive not only to repeatedly release and publicize his message as much as possible, but to take every possible step to prove to the world that he is still alive (because this would defiantly shove that fact in the face of the U.S.) All he'd have to do would be to hold up a recent newspaper, mention (not opaquely or using metaphor) a recent event, or some such. "Paper-tiger superpower still can't touch me". He has every motive in the world to do this, and so the fact that the videotapes we do get of him don't take this sort of step at all, itself is a decent argument that he's incapable of doing it. Because he is dead, and the videotapes are spliced together from archival footage, would be the most obvious explanation.
**I won't even mention the audiotapes, for which my only question is, why on earth people are so sure that's his voice.
Thanks. :-)
As a Texan, have to say I’d never heard the saying until the libs starting using it as an insult to the President. But it really does personify the democratically controlled Congress and Ubama and Usama!! :-)
No he’s staying at a Holiday Inn Select.........
This isn't rocket science; these are pretty obvious questions to ask of people insisting OBL still draws breath.
We've discussed some of this before - But, yes, there are ways that such news would leak or be "recovered"....and there are is also ways to conclude one is still alive....without knowing one's location.....
Best regards,
Absolutely inaccurate - For numerous reasons - Both strategically and selfishly -
And how many video's did Zarqawi put out of himself (showing himself) in Iraq while the leader of AQ there? - Answer = Zero. Yet, he was very much real, very much alive, and brutally effective.....until the day we put him in the ground.....(understand the only video of Zarqawi ever released showing himself....was done so only after the original tape was "recovered" in a SOF Op).
I do not think Bin Laden would be a martyr for the liberals. I don’t agree with most liberal policy, but I would hardly place them on the same side as Bin Laden, it is silliness and you know it. Such comparisons simply deteriorate the level of political discourse. Same thing goes for liberals who want to equate us with “insert totalitarian regime here”. If Bin Laden turned up dead, I think all of America would breath a big nonpartisan sigh of relief.
I respectfully disagree. How many times have the libbies stated “If only we could catch Osama Bin Laden, then the WOT would be over!”? There were many who claimed Saddam was not a bad guy because, gosh, women had more rights over there in Iraq, and he had nothing to do with terrorists, and/or Al-Quaeda, yada yada yada.
I honestly believe that IF Osama was every officially declared ‘caught’ or ‘dead’ by the Bush administration, the libbies would put up a huge stink about it—if caught, they would want him to stand trial in a civilian court because, you know, you just can’t trust those military courts/tribunals. And if he’s killed/found dead, they would blame Bush et al for not using diplomacy to get Osama to ‘reason’ with all the terrorists out there in the world to make nice with everyone else!!
It’s not silliness. It’s stupidity on the part of the liberal crowd, and it needs to be pointed out, the liberals would NOT be relieved. They’d find some new reason to blame America and Bush for the WOT.
He plans to issue a very strong "get well" address to Ted Kennedy, or as he's come to be known on FR: "He Who Shall Not Be Allowed To Have A Breaking News Health Thread."
I’m no so sure that would have been a good idea. Yep. I believe he’s dead, Jim. I think we got him at Tora Bora. Reporting this news would have made him a martyr. Who knows how many innocent people would have died to avenge that? Parading around would have been like gas on a fire to all who hate us. I think we got him. I think we’ve made a dent. After all not one terrorist act has taken place on our soil since that awful day. But I don’t think we will ever be told about Binnie.
Exactly. But I do remember a story where a woman was interviewed & she spoke of seeing a body wrapped in white & separated from the rest. I think we got him & I think we know it.
I don’t know how many times the liberals have stated “If only we could catch Osama Bin Laden, then the WOT would be over!” I have never heard it, and I frequent some pretty loony left websites. I have to disagree with you also about liberals liking Saddam, I don’t know where you get that. From my perspective neither republicans nor liberals liked Saddam, the difference was on policy. That being said, I happen to lean toward the right on issues of foreign policy, and think that many ideas from the left are utter nonsense.
Advance copy of Osama ‘bin Hidin’ Laden statement:
My fellow terrorists,
Moe Hamhead appeared to me in a dream last night and informed me Paradise is out of virgins. We’re such poor warriors we’re dropping like flies and no future martyrs will be eligible for virgins, but Paradise still has plenty of camels and sheep, so it will be much like the life you had on Earth. That is all, until I can find another safe cave to hide in.
I can understand what you are saying, however I think it would be good for American morale. I just haven't seen anything to indicate that Bin Laden is dead. Sadly, since hope is not prognostication Ill have to be satisfied not knowing.
Bin Laden is the name of a radical group. The original guy has Bin dead for quite a while, imo
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