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Chasing Utopia, Family Imagines No Possessions
NY Times ^ | 5/17/08 | RALPH BLUMENTHAL and RACHEL MOSTELLER

Posted on 05/17/2008 4:26:34 PM PDT by Dawnsblood

Like many other young couples, Aimee and Jeff Harris spent the first years of their marriage eagerly accumulating stuff: cars, furniture, clothes, appliances and, after a son and a daughter came along, toys, toys, toys.

Now they are trying to get rid of it all, down to their fancy wedding bands. Chasing a utopian vision of a self-sustaining life on the land as partisans of a movement some call voluntary simplicity, they are donating virtually all their possessions to charity and hitting the road at the end of May.

“It’s amazing the amount of things a family can acquire,” said Mrs. Harris, 28, attributing their good life to “the ridiculous amount of money” her husband earned as a computer network engineer in this early Wi-Fi mecca.

The Harrises now hope to end up as organic homesteaders in Vermont.

“We’re not attached to any outcome,” said Mrs. Harris, a would-be doctor before dropping out of college, who grew up poverty-stricken in a family that traces its lineage back through the Delanos and President Franklin D. Roosevelt to a Mayflower settler, Isaac Allerton.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Texas; US: Vermont
KEYWORDS: harris; hippies; utopian
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I feel sorry for their children. To think they are stuck with the last two people in the western world that still believe in hippies and communes.
1 posted on 05/17/2008 4:26:35 PM PDT by Dawnsblood
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To: Dawnsblood
Such people should really join a monastery. Very few people have the discipline to deny themselves worldly pleasures.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

2 posted on 05/17/2008 4:28:45 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Dawnsblood

Dumb stories like this have been coming down the pike on a weekly basis since the 60s. It won’t be long before they show up at the local welfare office. I think a lot of people just crack under pressure and want to return to their prehistoric roots.


3 posted on 05/17/2008 4:32:23 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (De-Globalize yourself !)
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To: goldstategop

Actually they should go do overseas charity work. Work amongst the poorest of the poor . . . then let’s see how they really feel about things.

Moving to virtually all-white Vermont, and remaining Americans is a phony cop out. Trust me, first sign of trouble (illness, etc.) they’ll have their big fat hands out.


4 posted on 05/17/2008 4:34:33 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: FlingWingFlyer
The ideal of the Simple Life has been around since antiquity. Its never caught on as a mass movement since for most people for millenia, life was short, uncomfortable and very hard. We in the West for the first time in human history have it truly easy. I don't think most people would want to go back and live the way their ancestors did. The entire point of human progress is the pursuit of happiness. We're not going to attain it by living like abstentious hermits.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

5 posted on 05/17/2008 4:38:30 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Dawnsblood
“The idea in the movement was ‘everything you own owns you,’” said Dr. Grigsby, who sees roots of the philosophy in the lives of the Puritans. “You have to care for it, store it. It becomes an appendage, I think. If it enhances your life and helps you do the things you want to do, great. If you are burdened by these things and they become the center of what you have to do to live, is that really positive?”

Now that's a nugget of gold right there.

Such a pity that FReepers are so quick to condemn these folks.

6 posted on 05/17/2008 4:39:13 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (During the Middle Ages, rats spread bubonic plague. Today, Rats spread the socialist plague.)
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You’ve got it.

There’s nothing inheriently noble in doing without for the sake of doing without. They are searching for a freedom that is still, in an inverse way, based on their possessions.

The truly humble do without not for themselves, but to do good for others. Missionaries go to poverty stricken countries and do without because they have to in order to help others, not because they are “letting the universe take them for a ride”.


7 posted on 05/17/2008 4:40:12 PM PDT by I still care ("Remember... for it is the doom of men that they forget" - Merlin, from Excalibur)
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To: Dawnsblood

So they’re moving from Austin, TX to a remote cabin (no electricity) in central VT to be organic homesteaders?

Do they realize that VT has winters?

Have they ever grown enough food to sustain them for a year at a time?

He wants to keep his job as a telecommuting sysadmin, but doesn’t know if there’s even Internet access “in the woods.”

How will they feel about having to kill brush and trees to get space to grow food?

I’ve met turkeys smarter than them...


8 posted on 05/17/2008 4:40:44 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie
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"I feel sorry for their children. To think they are stuck with the last two people in the western world that still believe in hippies and communes."

Have you ever been to Oregon, Vermont, San Francisco/Berkeley, etc.?

9 posted on 05/17/2008 4:41:01 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (McCain could never convince me to vote for him. Only Hillary or Obama can!)
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To: goldstategop

Only the young, could come up with such a foolish plan. They will live and learn, and look back upon their stupid move with a smile. Provided they survive. It brings to mind that movie “Into the wild”, or better yet, that idiot bear guy who lived with the bears and ultimately became a bear lunch, in Alaska. Many of us had such stupid ideas when we were young, when we were drinking a brewskie with friends and having one of those funny cigarettes. A half hour later we fell asleep and forgot about it.


10 posted on 05/17/2008 4:43:25 PM PDT by Chuzzlewit
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To: rabscuttle385
I'm not an advocate of materialism. I'm not an advocate of voluntary poverty either. There's nothing noble in being poor.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

11 posted on 05/17/2008 4:43:50 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Dawnsblood
The Harrises now hope to end up as organic homesteaders in Vermont.

What do they plan to organicly homestead if they do not own anything?

Dust mites?

Skin cells?

Silly people let's see how long you can live on air.

12 posted on 05/17/2008 4:44:06 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (A good marriage is like a casserole, only those responsible for it really know what goes into it.)
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To: I still care
The type of poverty practiced by medieval clerics was meant to bring them closer to the Heavenly City. But just to do without for the mere sake of doing without I think leads nowhere because human nature abhors a state of permanent deprivation.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

13 posted on 05/17/2008 4:46:16 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Dawnsblood

The story mentions some people who took their 3-year-old to live with them full time on a sailboat. Sounds like an extremely bad idea to me. I hope nothing happens.


14 posted on 05/17/2008 4:50:10 PM PDT by buck jarret
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To: Dawnsblood

If it makes you happy, do it.


15 posted on 05/17/2008 4:52:04 PM PDT by The Woim (Public Schooling still exists - THAT'S A PROBLEM!)
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To: rabscuttle385
Such a pity that FReepers are so quick to condemn these folks.

And justifibly so.

Let me give you some that philosophy that the Puritans would have understood immediately and these poor souls do not.

"Suppose one of you wants to build a tower. Will he not first sit down and estimate the cost to see if he has enough money to complete it? For if he lays the foundation and is not able to finish it, everyone who sees it will ridicule him, saying, 'This fellow began to build and was not able to finish.'

The concept is fine even if they are being a bit dramatic about the matter and vastly overstating what they are doing. However they have not thought things through. And that is by their own admission. Doing things off the cuff is ok when you are single or if there is just the two of you. Not sitting down and planing things out when you plans will drastically effect your children is flat out wrong.

16 posted on 05/17/2008 4:53:07 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (A good marriage is like a casserole, only those responsible for it really know what goes into it.)
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To: Dawnsblood
Chasing Utopia, Family Imagines No Possessions.

call it homeless...althought I wonder if they might leave the shopping cart in the shopping center.

17 posted on 05/17/2008 4:53:37 PM PDT by gogov
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To: FlingWingFlyer

“I think a lot of people just crack under pressure and want to return to their prehistoric roots.”

Bingo!


18 posted on 05/17/2008 5:06:00 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Dawnsblood

Their idea is not altogether preposterous, rather a good idea just taken to an extreme. Retirees and other mid-life folks like myself and wife scale down all the time for reasons that are similar....and as choice that refutes the materialistic hardsell of “gated retirement communities” with “Robert Trent Jones” golf courses and “world class amenities.” My last house was a fully furnished 3000 sq. ft, but we now live (smaller) in a two bedroom 1600 sq. ft small town neighborhood home as an alternative to what a possession-obsessed society tells we should be doing. More power to anyone that recognizes the possibilities for happiness absent possessions and toys. (However, you can’t have my travel trailer!)


19 posted on 05/17/2008 5:07:47 PM PDT by yetidog
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
Not sitting down and planing things out when you plans will drastically effect your children is flat out wrong.

Good point. I didn't see that. "A goal without a plan is nought but a wish."

20 posted on 05/17/2008 5:08:06 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (During the Middle Ages, rats spread bubonic plague. Today, Rats spread the socialist plague.)
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