[socialismisinsidious]

What is amazing to me about this article is: here is someone who worked in this broken system and she still believed the hype. She believed that it was OK b/c if she got sick then she could fight the bureaucracy and get what she needed. Not quite.

I think those for Universal Health Care in this country feel the same way. They believe: 1. that they won't get sick and 2. even if they do get sick all they will have to do is fight the establishment and they will get what they want. They need to think about their last visit to the DMV or their last dealings with the IRS.

People like the idea of getting something for free...too bad something always turns into nothing. Socialism is insidious.

[socialismisinsidious]

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[socialismisinsidious]

Yet the NHS told us that if we pay for the drug the NHS will not pay for any of his care. All blood tests, scans and doctors' visits will have to be paid for as well. The NHS will wash its hands of him.

[mo]

Ronald Reagan once said...”the funny thing about abortion, is that everyone for it has already been born”

Same thing about “Universal Health” or “National Health Care” ...everyone for it is healthy.

[KarlInOhio]

Yet the NHS told us that if we pay for the drug the NHS will not pay for any of his care. All blood tests, scans and doctors' visits will have to be paid for as well. The NHS will wash its hands of him.

I can understand the government not paying for some treatments. Once the government takes over it will be rationed as inevitably as day following night, just as it will be here under Hillary or Obama. The two parts I really despise are that they won't come clean and tell what the criteria are to get treatment and second, if you do find a way to pay for the drug the government just throws you to the wolves on all other treatments.

[wintertime]

Yet the NHS told us that if we pay for the drug the NHS will not pay for any of his care. All blood tests, scans and doctors’ visits will have to be paid for as well. The NHS will wash its hands of him.
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Ah! The perversity of the government Catch 22! What did she expect with a government run system?

As a homeschool mom our family ran into this road block many time with our government owned and operated monopoly schools. It was all or none. If you homeschooled, the student was forbidden participation in sports, music, theater, etc.

[VOA]

What is amazing to me about this article is: here is someone who
worked in this broken system and she still believed the hype.

Too bad she probably has never heard radio commentator Paul Harvey.
Occassionally he says (in so many words):
"The government that gives you anything is also the government that
can take away everything."

[ikka]

Government healthcare = RATIONED healthcare

[WilliamofCarmichael]

Yet [what about those] whose life isn't exceptional?.

America's NHS, Hillary/Obama Kare, the solution for the fast approaching Social Security problem.

[Dianna]

People like the idea of getting something for free...too bad something always turns into nothing. Socialism is insidious.

If you take all the human factors out of the equation (which government deciders tend to do), NHS's decision makes sense. The man is not going to be cured. If he can be helped, he will live on medications costing thousands and thousands of dollars.

The people who are willing to sacrifice on this man's behalf are the people who KNOW him and love him. I'd rather have the people who love me be the deciders.

[G Larry]

To liberal socialists, the only thing that is important is the SYMBOLISM of everyone having an INSURANCE CARD.
This allows them to FEEL GOOD.
The fact that ACTUAL HEALTH CARE is UNAVAILABLE doesn’t seem to matter to them.

[LostInBayport]

Yet the NHS told us that if we pay for the drug the NHS will not pay for any of his care. All blood tests, scans and doctors' visits will have to be paid for as well. The NHS will wash its hands of him.

This is not an isolated incident. I recall reading (I believe it was here on FR) about a British woman with breast cancer whose doctor had high hopes for a certain drug. NHS wouldn't pay for it, so she raised some of the cash and was preparing to sell her home to pay for the rest. NHS told her if she used the drug they would refuse to provide her with any further health care.

This is not about 'fairness' or 'standards', or any other obfuscatory phrase concocted in some public relations memo. It is about punishing citizens for daring to do for themselves instead of relying on government. It is also pure evil.

[trane250]

People like the idea of getting something for free...too bad something always turns into nothing.

The British worker pays for the NHS through a payroll tax. It is not free. Retirees and people who can't work are carried free.

Also, the total health care expenditure in the UK including the millions of Brits who have opted out of NHS for private insurance is less than half of the 16% of GDP that the US spends in total.

[stayathomemom]

I am hearing AARP ads in my area. They may be Divided We Fail ones. They ask people to submit their medical sob story. The latest ad featured a couple, close to retirement, who found out the husband needed knee replacement surgery and the insurance company would no longer cover it. I realized that if they get the reform they think they want, he is probably ineligible for the surgery because of his age or at least looking at a years long waiting list.

[Col Freeper]

[And for all its perceived failings, I have been proud of its fundamental role in our society - to provide equality of care for all.]

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Sarah, maybe this situation with your Father is really just another “perceived” failing of the NHS.

I guess it’s all about whose OX is being gored, eh Sarah?

I hope your Dad gets treatment, but why do you consider problems that others have had/are having with the NHS as just perceived failures?

[lowbridge]

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[muawiyah]

Sorry, when you plan on fighting the bureaucracy they will wear you down. That's the system. Been in place for the last 7,000 years too ~

Here's how you do it though. First of all you can fight but you won't win much for yourself, but recalling that the bureaucracy is going to be doing the same stuff to other people, your "win" can be turned into their "victory".

I and a couple of other folks once won a Veteran's Preference case against USPS. All I got out of it was a much better job with literate bosses ~ still beastly in many respects, but a cut above the last crowd.

Several years went by and "Carvin Marvin" Runyon took over as PMG and he decided the best way to "clean house" was to "clean house" and toss out folks even if they had Veteran's Preference.

This time management suffered some serious over-reach and instead of having only a handful of people to mess with and abuse they had several thousand.

Took me about 10 minutes to find out who was being hired as their lawyer, then I faxed a copy of my "win" to him ~ and they won and it cost you folks who pay postage pret'near a half billion dollars before it was all over.

Felt good.

Still didn't get much out of it but it'd been cheaper to have paid me a $1 million a few years earlier just to go away. But no, there's a type of bureaucrat who thinks he is on God's own mission to destroy the infidels or something.

How stupid of them.

And "Carvin Marvin"? Last I heard he was still in a semi-coma having suffered some seizures or something ~ dieing a long, slow, miserable death.

Most of the people who lied to him about the problems veterans present are also out of USPS ~ having retired or been fired, or just finding themselves wandering the lonely streets at night wondering where they went wrong.

It's gotta' be tough being a 1960s Liberal puke who hates the military. And I hope it hurts.