How the NHS is letting my father die - by a top hospital consultant

The Daily Mail (U.K.) ^ | May 10, 2008 | SARAH ANDERSON

[socialismisinsidious]

What is amazing to me about this article is: here is someone who worked in this broken system and she still believed the hype. She believed that it was OK b/c if she got sick then she could fight the bureaucracy and get what she needed. Not quite.

I think those for Universal Health Care in this country feel the same way. They believe: 1. that they won't get sick and 2. even if they do get sick all they will have to do is fight the establishment and they will get what they want. They need to think about their last visit to the DMV or their last dealings with the IRS.

People like the idea of getting something for free...too bad something always turns into nothing. Socialism is insidious.

[socialismisinsidious]

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[socialismisinsidious]

Yet the NHS told us that if we pay for the drug the NHS will not pay for any of his care. All blood tests, scans and doctors' visits will have to be paid for as well. The NHS will wash its hands of him.

[mo]

Ronald Reagan once said...”the funny thing about abortion, is that everyone for it has already been born”

Same thing about “Universal Health” or “National Health Care” ...everyone for it is healthy.

[KarlInOhio]

Yet the NHS told us that if we pay for the drug the NHS will not pay for any of his care. All blood tests, scans and doctors' visits will have to be paid for as well. The NHS will wash its hands of him.

I can understand the government not paying for some treatments. Once the government takes over it will be rationed as inevitably as day following night, just as it will be here under Hillary or Obama. The two parts I really despise are that they won't come clean and tell what the criteria are to get treatment and second, if you do find a way to pay for the drug the government just throws you to the wolves on all other treatments.

[workerbee]

Oh come on, that wouldn't happen here.

/sarc

[VOA]

NHS is “The National Health Service”; the bureaucracy that runs
socialized healthcare in England.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Health_Service_%28England%29

[wintertime]

Yet the NHS told us that if we pay for the drug the NHS will not pay for any of his care. All blood tests, scans and doctors’ visits will have to be paid for as well. The NHS will wash its hands of him.
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Ah! The perversity of the government Catch 22! What did she expect with a government run system?

As a homeschool mom our family ran into this road block many time with our government owned and operated monopoly schools. It was all or none. If you homeschooled, the student was forbidden participation in sports, music, theater, etc.

[VOA]

What is amazing to me about this article is: here is someone who
worked in this broken system and she still believed the hype.

Too bad she probably has never heard radio commentator Paul Harvey.
Occassionally he says (in so many words):
"The government that gives you anything is also the government that
can take away everything."

[ikka]

Government healthcare = RATIONED healthcare

[GladesGuru]

“Ah! The perversity of the government Catch 22!”

Perhaps the most perverse part is that her father made the machine which broke the ENIGMA code.

For that act alone, the British owe that man a debt the size of which medical care would only be a token.

Had the German code not been broken, the toll in both men and materiel would have been vastly greater than it was.

[wintertime]

The man is 68. He wasn’t old enough to make the machine that broke the code.

[Dianna]

Government healthcare = RATIONED healthcare

Health care is ALWAYS rationed. Under government run, the government decides who gets what. Under our current system, healthcare is rationed by ability to pay/ability to find someone else to pay. There are a number of things I can do to increase my ability to pay, but I cannot move a faceless bureaucracy.

[wintertime]

The two parts I really despise are that they won't come clean and tell what the criteria are to get treatment and second, if you do find a way to pay for the drug the government just throws you to the wolves on all other treatments.
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It **WILL** happen here too!

Government does this every day to homeschoolers. It is **ALL** or none! ( Thankfully, in some states this is changing.)

So....If government would do this to homeschoolers you can surely bet your health that they would do it in medicine, dentistry, optometry, and other health services as well!

( Yes, I am shouting. Americans are stupidly deaf!)

[Sender]

It will be rationed for sure, it will take months to get an appointment ala Canada, expensive drugs or treatments can be refused, and the pittance they will pay doctors and other professionals will ensure a shortage of providers.

So the bad news is that you won't get the surgery or the treatment you need in time to do any good, but the good news is that it's free.

[WilliamofCarmichael]

Yet [what about those] whose life isn't exceptional?.

America's NHS, Hillary/Obama Kare, the solution for the fast approaching Social Security problem.

[Dianna]

People like the idea of getting something for free...too bad something always turns into nothing. Socialism is insidious.

If you take all the human factors out of the equation (which government deciders tend to do), NHS's decision makes sense. The man is not going to be cured. If he can be helped, he will live on medications costing thousands and thousands of dollars.

The people who are willing to sacrifice on this man's behalf are the people who KNOW him and love him. I'd rather have the people who love me be the deciders.

[bert]

.....He wasn’t old enough to make the machine that broke the code......

The sentence is cryptic and English, not American. It says he helped build the replica Bombe. After reading your excellant comment, I re-read the sentence.

His claim to fame is building a replica of the (original) Enigma decoder. I would suggest he was a sort of WW II reenactor who worked with some guys to dulpicate the efforts of the old guys in the early 40’s.

[Nailbiter]

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