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Seattle Times Editor: 'Hitler's Demands Were Not Unreasonable'
littlegreenfootballs.com ^ | May 16, 2008

Posted on 05/16/2008 8:20:57 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

Seattle Times editorial writer Bruce Ramsey, in an effort to defend Barack Obama against President Bush’s “appeasement” speech, actually ends up defending Nazi Germany, Adolf Hitler, and the Anschluss (the annexation of Austria): Bush, and His Use of ‘Appeasement’.

Democrats are rebuking President Bush for saying in his speech to the Knesset, here, that to “negotiate with terrorists and radicals” is “appeasement.” The Democrats took it as a slap at Barack Obama. What bothers me is the continual reference to Hitler and his National Socialists, particularly the British and French accommodation at the Munich Conference of 1938.

What Hitler was demanding was not unreasonable. He wanted the German-speaking areas of Europe under German authority. He had just annexed Austria, which was German-speaking, without bloodshed. There were two more small pieces of Germanic territory: the free city of Danzig and the Sudetenland, a border area of what is now the Czech Republic.

We live in an era when you do not change national borders for these sorts of reasons. But in 1938 it was different. Germany’s eastern and western borders had been redrawn 19 years before—and not to its benefit. In the democracies there was some sense of guilt with how Germany had been treated after World War I. Certainly there was a memory of the “Great War.” In 2008, we have entirely forgotten World War I, and how utterly unlike any conception of “The Good War” it was. When the British let Hitler have a slice of Czechoslovakia, they were following their historical wisdom: avoid war. War produces results far more horrible than you expected. War is a bad investment. It is not glorious. Don’t give anyone an excuse to start one.

Wow.


TOPICS: Editorial
KEYWORDS: appeasement; appeasment; insane; islamicfascists; obama; presbushknesset08; seattletimes
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To: Free ThinkerNY
What about some of Hilter’s other long term goals? I guess those were not so bad either looking at some of the lefts other supporters.
101 posted on 05/18/2008 5:15:55 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Shady; Travis McGee
It has reached the point of no return. We are doomed to be conquered by the new fascists.

I am an ethnic German (Saxon specifically). When the Kaiser started to swallow all of the German states in the 19th century, my great Grandfather got the heck out. In WWII, my Grandpa HATED the fascists.

There is a remnant here that will not go quietly.

102 posted on 05/18/2008 5:19:38 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

My tag line is better, IMHO....I’ve been making them as bumper stickers for almost ten years.


103 posted on 05/18/2008 5:54:42 PM PDT by Loud Mime (Liberalism is a Socialist Disease)
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To: JimSEA; 2ndDivisionVet
They clearly yearn for a governing elite with the power to suppress dissent.

That's SO true....the Liberals hates the American Populace Voters / Public Election / Secret Ballots....They really admired Murderous Totalitarian Dictators like Lenin / Stalin / Hitler / Mao-Tse / Castro / Pol Pot et al....THEY ALL HATE FREEDOM AND FREE WILL.

.....but, they love (free) elections, where THEY (and only THEY) counts the Votes.

104 posted on 05/18/2008 6:40:47 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (just b/c you're paranoid,doesn't mean "they" aren't out to get you..our hopes were dashed by CINOs :)
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To: RonPaulLives
Take a look @ this, real scary...give it a KY. Ping, if ya think it warranted...
105 posted on 05/18/2008 6:49:52 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (just b/c you're paranoid,doesn't mean "they" aren't out to get you..our hopes were dashed by CINOs :)
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To: FARS; devolve
Thanks for the ping FARS. I'm also glad to see that you were able to get my Obama Idiots gif!!

Sorry I didn't get it to you, I'm laying down on the job I'm afraid! Don't be afraid to ask when you need to.

106 posted on 05/18/2008 6:58:59 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: Free ThinkerNY
You know you are in Liberalland when historical illiterates use major newspapers to seek to defend the indefensible.

Made a lot of sense did it, Sluggo? How did that Operation Barbarossa work out for you?

107 posted on 05/18/2008 7:00:36 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: JimSEA
This editor has likely not read William L. Shirer's classic "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich".

Of course not. It has no pictures and no jokes in it. Even better was Shirer's Berlin Diary, for contemporaneous entries of history as it happened. Hitler was transparent from the start to anyone with eyes to see. And the "democracies" were contemptible and pusllinamous as well, a fact not lost on Hitler right from the march uncontested into the Rhineland.

108 posted on 05/18/2008 7:07:19 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: potlatch; PhilDragoo; ntnychik; MeekOneGOP





109 posted on 05/18/2008 7:09:46 PM PDT by devolve ( -- -The_Project_Islamic_Hope_website_banner no_longer_features_Barack_Hussein_Obama_Junior)
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To: Onelifetogive

“A willingness and ability to rain hellfire down on your enemies and their families and friends and neighbors (and, hell, even their pets) will make them think twice before messing with you.”

One of my favorite quotes that I use elsewhere:

“If you rub it in both at home and abroad that you are ready for instant war... and intend to be first in and hit your enemy in the belly and kick him when he is down and boil your prisoners in oil (if you take any)... and torture his women and children, then people will keep clear of you.”

Vice Admiral Sir John Fisher, Royal Navy, 1898.


110 posted on 05/18/2008 7:13:46 PM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: dbehsman
I think the only reason John McCain is going to get votes from Conservatives, is that the alternative is absolutely unthinkable.

Well, it's the one reason I would reluctantly vote for him.

111 posted on 05/18/2008 7:14:35 PM PDT by Marathoner ("Only Hillary Clinton or Barak Obama can get me to vote for John McCain." Thomas Sowell)
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To: devolve

They look good devolve.
I need to make one of Michelle Obama - ranting!


112 posted on 05/18/2008 7:14:46 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: gonzo

That’s what I get for late night FReeping...

Of course, I meant that I DO see this as the most important in my lifetime.

Thanks, Gonzo!


113 posted on 05/19/2008 4:23:20 AM PDT by IncPen (The liberal's reward is self-disgust)
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To: mimaw
'Zackly what I thought. This is just re-fried "America Firster" rhetoric from the thirties.

The editorialist fails to mention some other "issues" that Adolph had back in '38 aside from the land deal. What an idiot...

114 posted on 05/19/2008 4:30:36 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

This is crazy....Bruce Ramsey, liberal wacko editor has written other articles: I refuse to give a URL to show the trash he writes but here is a quick sommary of his split thinking: Criticize the Muslims- bad (Freedom of Religion, we must respect all religions); critize the Jews-bad (taboo in American Journalism, so he says-Freedom of Religion again), but criticize Catholics- ok (because that is freedom of expression, as in an art form expression); similarly: criticize Obama-bad, that is conservatism; but criticize National Socialism- bad (because it embodied a liberal spirit of trying to right a wrong- freedom of thought)....very twisted thinking; and by relating everything back to the Constitution he can pick and choose which ‘freedom’ he wants to base his goofy arguments on...

In a sense it may be insanity; in many other people, it is just a total lack of moral decency- they never learned good values, or good ethics, or maybe lost their moral compass along the way...they have perverted their own intellectualism to reach some very weird conclusions, as shown in Ramsey’s article...In any case it is total stupidity...


115 posted on 05/19/2008 8:53:12 PM PDT by billmor
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To: FARS

Thanks FARS.


116 posted on 05/19/2008 10:27:57 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______________________Profile updated Monday, April 28, 2008)
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