Arnold, in his veto message, has constantly said he was waiting on the decision of the state supreme court, each time he has vetoed the legislature's attempts to pass gay marriage.
There is a far greater effort being perpetrated than the homosexual movement. It is one of many methods used by socialists to replace our Representative Democracy with socialism. Destroying the foundation of the country, the family, with blurred gender lines to confuse the youth, wresting control of children from the parents and erasing the terms mother and father will create dysfunctional families and thereby weaken resistance to socialism.
By the narrowest of margins (4-3, just like Goodridge), the California supreme court ruled Thursday that Proposition 22, passed by 62 percent of California voters in 2000, is unconstitutional.
We therefore conclude . . . the California Constitution properly must be interpreted to guarantee this basic civil right to all Californians, whether gay or heterosexual, and to same-sex couples as well as to opposite-sex couples.Call it Jerry Brown’s revenge. The former “Gov. Moonbeam” is now the California attorney general, the man charged with defending the laws of the state, including marriage. And Brown and his staff went out of their way to make sure that no good argument was left on the table in this case, explicitly repudiating, in the state’s brief, the argument that has won the day for marriage in state supreme courts as diverse (and “blue”) as New York, Washington, and Maryland: Marriage is a union of husband and wife because marriage has something to do with responsible procreation — bringing together men and women to make and raise the next generation together.
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On the legal front, this opinion breaks radically new ground: The California supreme court is the first in the country to find a fundamental right to same-sex marriage. Even European courts have rejected the idea that the human right to marry includes the right to same-sex marriage. In 2003, the European Court of Justice ruled, “Article 12 of the European Convention on Human Rights protects only traditional marriage between two persons of opposite biological sex.” The European Court of Human Rights and the United Nations Human Rights Committee have issued similar rulings. ...
In a slam-dunk for gay-marriage advocates, the Court also affirmed a sweeping equal-protection right to gay marriage, grounded in the right to have one’s family relationships accorded equal respect and dignity.
One of the core elements of the right to establish an officially recognized family that is embodied in the California constitutional right to marry is a couple’s right to have their family relationship accorded dignity and respect equal to that accorded other officially recognized families, and assigning a different designation for the family relationship of same-sex couples while reserving the historic designation of “marriage” exclusively for opposite-sex couples poses at least a serious risk of denying the family relationship of same-sex couples such equal dignity and respect.Polyamorists, Muslims, and breakaway heretical Mormons can expect to find at a minimum new comfort in this sweeping moral support (if not yet legal support) for the dignity of their own favored family relationships, since the right to marry is the right to have one’s family relationship officially recognized and accorded equal dignity.
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If the Proposition banning gay marriage is on the November ballot in California, then that might be an advantage for Republicans.
Gay Marriage CANNOT win in a fair vote, not anywhere.
If you don’t have to be really dead to have a funeral, why should a marriage partner have to be of the opposite sex?
Everything’s a big vibration, you can do what you wanna do, be what you wanna be! What’s this? You’re 47 years old? Go ahead and enroll in kindergarten!
Some call it deracination, others freedom... that is until they find out that deracinated freedom is utter mental / moral chaos... which is the worst of tyrannies!
No orthodoxy? Meanings no longer have meaning? No freedom.
The problem with these and other similar heresies is not that they are richer and more nuanced, but that they are infinitely simple-minded and therefore narrower and poorer.
Take political correctness vis-a-vis profiling at airports. If the ruling comes out that you must give an old retired school teacher from Kansas the same kind of scrutiny as a 23 year old Saudi male, one might think that the approach is more fair, hip and nuanced, but it’s just going out of the way to be stupid. It is enforced ultra-simplicity. Same thing goes for queer marriage. Two guys like each other, sure, let ‘em get married (and ignore everything meaningful, traditional, intelligent, cultural, common sensical and even honest about marriage). Very modern, very fashionable... but stoooopid, empty. What was once chock full of meaning and promise and joy turns into a big nothing.
The justices having stated they are not discussing limiting marriage to opposite sex couples then continue on to discuss the constitutional right to marry under the California constitution. So are we talking about marriage or what the State may designate as marriage? As in the Mass. ruling the discussion is about the individual’s right to marry in light of constitutional guarantees of autonomy and individual liberty. However unlike the Mass ruling the California ruling makes no mention of those rights being subject to regulation for the sake of public health, safety and welfare.
If taken at face value the ruling means that the right to marry is such an essential part of individual liberty the legislature has no authority to take away or deny that right. No qualifier is included. Also since the matter under discussion is not same sex marriage but what the State may call same sex unions. The statement is not modified or limited by the Justices indicating this right is discussed only in how it pertains to same sex couples wanting to marry. It is actually a separate discussion not dependent on the preceding one and could perhaps be applied to other groups seeking to have their unions called marriage.
It is also significant that the statement speaks only of the right of the individual not the right of the same sex couple. “With the person with whom the individual has chosen to share his or her life” certainly leaves open to interpretation more than a person wanting to marry someone of the same sex. Especially when the discussion is not modified by an introduction that makes clear such discussion pertains only to same sex marriage. The justices have already said the discussion is not about that. So their statements on marriage are broad and general not narrow and specific.
“As discussed below, upon review of the numerous California decisions that have examined the underlying bases and significance of the constitutional right to marry (and that illuminate why this right has been recognized as one of the basic,inalienable civil rights guaranteed to an individual by the California Constitution),we conclude that, under this state’s Constitution, the constitutionally based right to marry properly must be understood to encompass the core set of basic substantive legal rights and attributes traditionally associated with marriage that are so integral to an individual’s liberty and personal autonomy that they may not be eliminated or abrogated by the Legislature or by the electorate through the statutory initiative process. These core substantive rights include, most fundamentally, the opportunity of an individual to establish — with the person with whom the individual has chosen to share his or her life."
The justices do continue to recite history of marriage in California law including the ban on incestuous marriages, etc. But it does this only as an historical anecdote. Not as an affirmation of the State’s power to regulate marriage. They then continue to point out the disagreement over the scope and meaning of the State’s constitutional right to marry. And here is where red flags ought to be raised. For the justices are very specific in saying the right which is being discussed is not the right of same sex couples to marry but the right to marry without limiting qualifications. This moves that right beyond the scope of same sex or opposite sex couples.
“From the beginning of California statehood, the legal institution of civil marriage 11 has been understood to refer to a relationship between a man and a woman. — … [listing, as marriages that would be considered “incestuous, and absolutely void,” marriages “between brothers and sisters of the one half as well as the whole blood” and “between uncles and nieces, [or] aunts and nephews…"
Although all parties in this proceeding agree that the right to marry constitutes a fundamental right protected by the state Constitution, there is considerable disagreement as to the scope and content of this fundamental state constitutional right."
"The flaw in characterizing the constitutional right at issue as the right to same-sex marriage rather than the right to marry goes beyond mere semantics..."
"For this reason, in evaluating the constitutional issue before us, we consider it appropriate to direct our focus to the meaning and substance of the constitutional right to marry, and to avoid the potentially misleading implications inherent in analyzing the issue in terms of “same-sex marriage.”
Now and only now do the justices discuss the authority of the legislature to regulate marriage. But it limits this regulation to the State having incentives to marry and help couples stay married. Which rather narrows the role the State may play in such regulations. It basically say the State realizes marriage is a worthy institution to be encouraged and protected by the State. It does not say the State can decide what relationship may be called marriage. And indeed that is the issue before the Court. Again the justices come back to the contention that marriage is a basic constitutionally protected civil right outside the scope of the legislature to alter or amend. The justices are not limiting their discussion to same sex marriage. This discussion encompasses every individual’s right to marry. The consent of the legislature in this matter is moot. They can not abridge a right. You have the right to marry regardless if the legislature establishes a form for such a marriage. They do not create the right for you to marry, you already have that right.
“California decisions have recognized that the Legislature has broad authority in seeking to protect and regulate this relationship by creating incentives to marry and adopting measures to protect the marital relationship. If civil marriage were an institution whose only role was to serve the interests of society, it reasonably could be asserted that the state should have full authority to decide whether to establish or abolish the institution of marriage (and any similar institution, such as domestic partnership). In recognizing, however, that the right to marry is a basic, constitutionally protected civil right — “a fundamental right of free men [and women]” (Perez, supra, 32 Cal.2d 711, 714) —the governing California cases establish that this right embodies fundamental interests of an individual that are protected from abrogation or elimination by the state.41 Because our cases make clear that the right to marry is an integral component of an individual’s interest in personal autonomy protected by the privacy provision of article I, section 1, and of the liberty interest protected by the due process clause of article I, section 7, ... and cannot properly be understood as simply the right to enter into such a relationship if (but only if) the Legislature chooses to establish and retain it.”
The justices reiterate the right of marriage is for all individuals as well as couples and brings up the traditional understanding of marriage. Now here comes another red flag. The justices state that though marriage has always been limited to one man and one woman such tradition can not be used to justify denying a fundamental constitutional right. That right is the right to marry not the right for same sex couples to marry. They do not say denying gays the right to marry can no longer be justified by appealing to tradition. Rather they say tradition can not be used to limit the right to marry to being the right to marry a person of the opposite sex. This again puts the scope of discussion well beyond the rights of same sex couples to marry. It certainly could give rise to models of marriage that go beyond a couple relationship whether same sex or not.
“In light of the fundamental nature of the substantive rights embodied in the right to marry — ... — the California Constitution properly must be interpreted to guarantee this basic civil right to all individuals and couples, without regard to their sexual orientation.44 It is true, of course, that as an historical matter in this state marriage always has been limited to a union between a man and a woman. Tradition alone, however, generally has not been viewed as a sufficient justification for perpetuating, without examination, the restriction or denial of a fundamental constitutional right. For similar reasons, it is apparent that history alone does not provide a justification for interpreting the constitutional right to marry as protecting only one’s ability to enter into an officially recognized family relationship with a person of the opposite sex.”
The red flags continue to dot the landscape when the justices again make clear the designation of marriage can not only apply to opposite sex couples. They also assert that understanding of marriage is dependent on prevailing societal views which too often may mask inequalities. Now how can such a statement not be used in the future to argue for polygynous marriages? They seem to be saying morals and mores are evolving so using them as a basis for marriage laws is problematic and subject to change.
“… Because, until recently, there has been widespread societal disapproval and disparagement of homosexuality in many cultures, it is hardly surprising that the institution of civil marriage generally has been limited to opposite-sex couples and that many persons have considered the designation of marriage to be appropriately applied only to a elationship of an opposite-sex couple."
Although the understanding of marriage as limited to a union of a man and a woman is undeniably the predominant one, if we have learned anything from the significant evolution in the prevailing societal views and official policies toward members of minority races and toward women over the past half-century, it is that even the most familiar and generally accepted of social practices and traditions often mask an unfairness and inequality that frequently is not recognized or appreciated by those not directly harmed by those practices or traditions. It is instructive to recall in this regard that the traditional, well-established legal rules and practices of our not-so-distant past (1) barred interracial marriage,71”
Now here is their conclusion. You will notice gives no definition of marriage but simply states what no longer can be exclusively designated as marriage. They do say the designation applies to same sex and opposite sex. What it does not say is that this designation is limited to those scenarios only. Leaving it open for future expansion.
“Accordingly, in light of the conclusions we reach concerning the constitutional questions brought to us for resolution, we determine that the language of section 300 limiting the designation of marriage to a union “between a man and a woman” is unconstitutional and must be stricken from the statute, and that the remaining statutory language must be understood as making the designation of marriage available both to opposite-sex and same-sex couples. In addition, because the limitation of marriage to opposite-sex couples imposed by section 308.5 can have no constitutionally permissible effect in light of the constitutional conclusions set forth in this opinion, that provision cannot stand.”
The above is an opinion I offered on a forum where most of the participants our liberal They being liberal have no concept of the separation of powers or of how to parse a ruling to see if it is general or specific in its application.