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FLDS Mothers May Have To Abandon Religion To Reunite With Children
KUTV News ^ | 5/15/2008 | Rod Decker

Posted on 05/16/2008 6:27:40 AM PDT by JRochelle

Abandoning their religion and husbands may be the only way that FLDS mothers will be reunited with their children. Texas official issued new rules, Thursday, that dictate what the mothers will have to do before the state will return the 464 children.

The plan says that the mothers will have to prove that they have provided the children with “a home free of persons who have, or will abuse the children.”

Texas officials consider many polygamist husbands as abusers.

On top of that, Texas officials will have to know every person living in any building where any of the children live. This would make customary polygamist communal housing impossible.

FLDS Attorney, Rod Parker says that “the rules are subject to interpretation by Child Protective Services (CPS) in a manner that makes it impossible for these people to live on the ranch.”

To hammer their point even harder, Texas officials told FLDS communities that if they don’t cooperate, the court could “terminate parental rights” and “appoint a conservator with authority to consent to each child’s adoption.”

“Those terms are going to be defined, ultimately, by Texas CPS, and what Texas CPS says is a safe environment or appropriate education, exclude participation in this religion,” Parker said.

The initial call, that alleged that a 16-year-old girl was beaten and raped by FLDS member Dale Barlow, has never been identified, and is believed by many to have been a prank. Still, authorities are convinced that there is a repeated pattern of abuse on FLDS compounds.

Authorities point out that many of the teenage girls in custody were pregnant, some as young as 13 years old. They also say there is a conspiracy of secrecy within the mothers. They say that FLDS moms will not cooperate with identifying their children.

Authorities also claimed that FLDS boys had signs of broken bones and that they had possibly been sexually abuse as well.

Now, for the first time, the state is talking about lost boys who have allegedly been forced out of the group in order to have more women than men in the community for polygamy.

There are lost boys in Utah, however, Texas cannot name one lost boy.

Officials say that the proof is that there are more 16-to-17-year-old girls than boys.

FLDS attorney, Rod Parker says that Texas is counting 20-to-22-year-old women as underage girls.

“But we know they are counting women as underage girls,” said Parker. “That’s why the ratio is out of whack.”


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: allyourreligion; arebelong2gubmint; flds; polygamy
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I don't think they have to give up their religion. They just have to abandon the practice of polygamy. Just like the LDS chuch has done.
1 posted on 05/16/2008 6:27:41 AM PDT by JRochelle
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To: Politicalmom; colorcountry; greyfoxx39; Pan_Yans Wife; MHGinTN; Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; ...

Polygamy Ping!


2 posted on 05/16/2008 6:29:01 AM PDT by JRochelle (Keep sweet means shut up and take it.)
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To: JRochelle

I can see this going all the way to the SCOTUS............


3 posted on 05/16/2008 6:29:44 AM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: JRochelle

“Texas official issued new rules, Thursday, that dictate what
the mothers will have to do before the state will return the 464 children.”

Making it up as they go. All your religions belong to us.


4 posted on 05/16/2008 6:30:09 AM PDT by commonguymd (Let the socialists duke it out. All three of them.)
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To: Red Badger
I can see this going all the way to the SCOTUS

With pro bono legal services from the ACLU.

5 posted on 05/16/2008 6:30:51 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Hillary/Obama or John Mccain - -easy choice for me.)
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To: Red Badger

Tell me what would they be claiming? That they have the right to be polygamists?


6 posted on 05/16/2008 6:31:38 AM PDT by JRochelle (Keep sweet means shut up and take it.)
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To: JRochelle

Well thank God the government steps up because now the little boys can be adopted into gay marriage homes in California and have two daddies.


7 posted on 05/16/2008 6:33:11 AM PDT by commonguymd (Let the socialists duke it out. All three of them.)
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To: commonguymd

Texas has nothing to do with what is going on in Calif.


8 posted on 05/16/2008 6:35:42 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: JRochelle
Authorities point out that many of the teenage girls in custody were pregnant, some as young as 13 years old. They also say there is a conspiracy of secrecy within the mothers. They say that FLDS moms will not cooperate with identifying their children.

Ok, lets see if anyone wants to defend that.

9 posted on 05/16/2008 6:35:44 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: commonguymd
" because now the little boys can be adopted into gay marriage homes in California and have two daddies."

At least!
10 posted on 05/16/2008 6:35:57 AM PDT by LIConFem (Thompson. Lifetime ACU Rating: 86 -- Hunter Lifetime ACU Rating: 92 (any combo will do, fellas))
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To: P-Marlowe

First I had heard of a 13 year old being pregnant. Not that it is uncommon in Norfolk, VA or any other city in this country. If the father is over the age, arrest him, try him, and convict him. That might oddly enough happen once in awhile in the inner city, but the mother generally keeps the child regardless.


11 posted on 05/16/2008 6:39:48 AM PDT by commonguymd (Let the socialists duke it out. All three of them.)
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To: JRochelle

When a man who is not in this religious sect marries more than one woman, what is his punishment? Jail time? fines?


12 posted on 05/16/2008 6:39:53 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: JRochelle

Just to clarify, not to give up ALL religion, and become completely atheistic, only to give up a couple of troubling concepts that seem to have no place in the wider societies.

Hmmm. Perhaps we could apply this to various other religions not of US origin, as a price of being accepted into the US society.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is of uniquely American origin. So were the Branch Davidians. One was finally accepted, the other was obliterated.


13 posted on 05/16/2008 6:40:29 AM PDT by alloysteel (Is John McCain headed into the Perfect Storm? You bet he is.)
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To: Graybeard58; Red Badger
I can see SCOTUS agreeing that they have a right to polygamy, following the Lawrence v. Texas precedent. If not, they would, logically, have to overturn Lawrence. If it's not done on this case, it will just be another in a couple of years. Maybe a Moslem plaintiff would be more sympathetic ...
14 posted on 05/16/2008 6:42:25 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I love my parents.)
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To: JRochelle

We have freedom of religion, which is very important to fight for. That doesn’t mean that people who break the law can hide under the name of religion though. If that was the case, people could commit any crime they wanted and never be held accountable.


15 posted on 05/16/2008 6:42:39 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: JRochelle

Bill of Rights
Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;...........


16 posted on 05/16/2008 6:43:25 AM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: commonguymd

So you would prefer them to have a whole bunch of moms over two dads? LOL

They are same. Polygamy and gay marriage. Both demean what a family should mean.


17 posted on 05/16/2008 6:43:34 AM PDT by JRochelle (Keep sweet means shut up and take it.)
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To: Ditter

The polygamists don’t legally marry their plural wives. They have “spiritual” ceremonies, but they don’t get marriage licenses from the state. Thus, they are not committing bigamy, as that is usually defined in state statutes. From a purely legal point of view, it is a multiple shack up, which is not a crime.


18 posted on 05/16/2008 6:44:51 AM PDT by lady lawyer
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To: JRochelle

Polygamy and gay marriage aren’t quite the same. Polygamy at least makes biological sense. Gay marriage makes no sense.


19 posted on 05/16/2008 6:45:40 AM PDT by lady lawyer
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To: Red Badger

Unbelievable.

So if gays were claiming they have the right to religious freedom by getting married to each other, would that be acceptable?

Polygamy is evil. I don’t care if you wrap it in religion, you don’t get to do it in this country. As of now.


20 posted on 05/16/2008 6:46:23 AM PDT by JRochelle (Keep sweet means shut up and take it.)
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