[DoingTheFrenchMistake]

Yes, I can see what you are saying but in the end will the method of how this social change came about really matter if the results will still be the same?

Take the case of abolition, the method really had no effect on the outcome, we still fought the Civil War because an unpopular move by the government will always be view as unpopular regardless how it is implemented.

I can’t see how marriage wont be expanded to include gays, I guess that is why I consider myself a strong fiscal conservative and let it leak on the social side, anyway it helps keeps me sane.

[Dawnsblood]

I do believe that how it happens matters. Abortion really does explain it. Roe V Wade took that out of the political arena and created a conflict that has existed until today 30+ years later. About 5 years before Roe, Loving was decided. Do you hear anyone credible still arguing whether mixed race marriage is wrong? How you do it matters an awful lot IF you want people to accept something like this. If they would argue, campaign and convince people to agree with their point of view and then implement it the correct way, I believe it would be better accepted. They are creating a land mine that will not end in my lifetime because they are ramming it down our throats. This is coming from someone that doesn't even really care about gay marriage.

[manc]

we fought the war of northern aggression, war of states etc because of trade, taxes and state rights

the libs of course think the war was about slavery even ignoring lincolns address stating he had no desire to free slaves nor did he think he had the power to do so.
of course the famous speech cam elater when the war in the north was very unpopular and the north had been taking a beating
that is when lincoln freed slaves of course only slaves ion the south

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