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Post-Gingrich Republicans Who Invented "Big Government Conservatism" Have Much To Answer For
The View from Chaos Manor ^ | Tuesday, May 13, 2008 | Jerry Pournelle

Posted on 05/15/2008 6:27:32 AM PDT by TSchmereL

. . . Democrats will control Congress. If they also control the White House, we will have a series of legislative packages that will make the Great Society look like a libertarian government. . . .

The country is in trouble. We have forgotten our founding principles, and we move inexorably toward a European style socialist state, with the only winners being an enormous bureaucracy. This will accelerate the economic decline.

The argument is to give the Democrats their head, and pick up the pieces after the inevitable crash. I think that overlooks the resilience of tax and tax, spend and spend, elect and elect regimes. We haven't seen much in the way of reforms in Europe. The Democrats will create new bureaucracies that can never be dismantled: an example is the Department of Education. Reagan came into office determined to abolish it. Now it owns US education, and No Child Left Behind is entrenched. The Iron Law of Bureaucracy is inexorable.

. . .

I conclude that McCain as president is a far lesser evil than Obama would be. But there are those in whom hope springs eternal: who hold the view that Obama is not what all the evidence says he is, a left wing liberal intellectual with Chicago political connections and all the ethical implications that implies. Hope springs eternal. . . .

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TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 110th; biggovernment; gingrich; gop; gopcoup; governmentspending; jerrypournelle; newt; newtgingrich; rinorevolution
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To: TSchmereL; grundle

“Why waste your vote?”

I would respectfully request you cease insulting Americans in this manner. Left or right, vote or abstain, every vote, sir, is an exercise in true liberty that exists ONLY on our shores; none are “wasted” as long as we CAN vote.

Conservatives vote their conscience and your question impugns the intellectual foundations of all!


21 posted on 05/15/2008 7:03:28 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (1st Amendment rights argument in 3...2...1...)
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To: TSchmereL
This would never have happened if Republicans would have only voted for candidates that advocated smaller, less intrusive government. Instead, they compromised.

You also missed another important cue. Look at how libertarians have been treated by Republicans, even though their vote was counted on every election. Did you really think the RNC wouldn't eventually do the same thing to conservatives?

It's not about representation, philosophy, or ideas. It's about consolidation of power.
22 posted on 05/15/2008 7:07:34 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
It was the name of it, as I recall.

I always enjoyed his take on things. He was a curmudgeon from day one, and I loved it.

You've got to look into his science-fiction. It was good stuff. He also had collections of science-fiction essays in his, “There Will Be War” books.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Pournelle

23 posted on 05/15/2008 7:08:17 AM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: Slapshot68

Hey who doesn’t want 13+ weeks of vacation required a year? I wish my boss would let me lounge around for 3 months and do nothing. Oh wait thats me. Dam management.


24 posted on 05/15/2008 7:09:16 AM PDT by ritewingwarrior
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To: Slapshot68

In Wisconsin, we have “Ozone Alert” days. No grilling on the gas grill, don’t drive unless you have to, etc.


25 posted on 05/15/2008 7:21:19 AM PDT by knittnmom (...surrounded by reality!)
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To: 80 Square Miles

Must’ve worked since the ozone hole is closing. Wow, you Wisconsinites saved the planet!!! ;)


26 posted on 05/15/2008 7:23:14 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: grundle

Frankly our system of elections is such that any candidate beyond the two nominees is just going to take votes from the other two candidates. While all three of them are my worst nightmare, McCain at least has the ability to support business . The other two will kill our business and our economy. Until the right and middle of America want to do something to stop the rampant tax and spend policies, we will never have a good candidate.
I’m not into letting any Dem win, even if Ron Paul is the best candidate, I can’t vote for him. There is a much bigger threat to our country than sticking to my idealism for this specific issue.
I voted for Ross Perot. I loved those charts! But it cost us. While Perot grabbed votes equally from both parties, Ron Paul will not. Paul will grab them from the right, and ensure the Dems success.


27 posted on 05/15/2008 7:23:51 AM PDT by ritewingwarrior (Lets win the war and not the battle.)
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To: Dixie Yooper
Post-Gringrich? How about Post-Reagan.

This bears repeating. Gingrich is no friend of conservatism, and in my opinion, he's a coward.

28 posted on 05/15/2008 7:24:26 AM PDT by Glenmerle
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To: Slapshot68

Yep - the “Progressive State” is still ahead of the curve! ;-)


29 posted on 05/15/2008 7:26:20 AM PDT by knittnmom (...surrounded by reality!)
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To: TSchmereL

“When you choose the lesser of two evils, always remember that it is still an evil.” Max Lerner

one socialist is just as dangerous as the next!

freedom is is a precious thing hard to get and even harder to keep.


30 posted on 05/15/2008 7:26:28 AM PDT by mtnjimmi (“When you choose the lesser of two evils, always remember that it is still an evil.” Max Lerner)
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To: Glenmerle
This bears repeating. Gingrich is no friend of conservatism, and in my opinion, he's a coward.

He was a pompous fool when he was the Speaker, and has done nothing since then to convince me otherwise.

31 posted on 05/15/2008 7:30:16 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: stockpirate

Hmm... is there some coincidence that many of Socialists posing as senators are opposed to honest people having Guns”


32 posted on 05/15/2008 7:32:14 AM PDT by mtnjimmi (“When you choose the lesser of two evils, always remember that it is still an evil.” Max Lerner)
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To: mtnjimmi

At the Maine State Republican convention, Senator Snow (job)
said if the Democrats are elected there will be runaway spending. She is right. But she should have added that if the Republicans are elected there will be continued runaway spending.


33 posted on 05/15/2008 7:33:04 AM PDT by Maine Mariner
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To: hdbc

The flower children of yesterday are today’s blooming idiots. Too bad they are in power, their damage to this country will take decades to clean up.


34 posted on 05/15/2008 7:36:32 AM PDT by MichiganCheese (Vote for the liars, they promise you more of other people's stuff.)
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To: ConservativeMind

Jerry is pretty much the only person who was against going into Iraq from the beginning, that I respect for. And I have enormous respect for him.

I’ve been reading his “day book” at that site for years. That site was arguably the first blog. Highly recommended.


35 posted on 05/15/2008 7:43:44 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (<===Non-bitter, Gun-totin', Typical White American)
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To: FreedomPoster
that I have respect for.
36 posted on 05/15/2008 7:48:44 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (<===Non-bitter, Gun-totin', Typical White American)
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To: TSchmereL

If we
Vote for mccain we loose...
i
f we
Vote for Hillary we loose...

if we
vote for obama we loose...

all of them will cost us freedom and security, not to mention that trhey will trash the economy.

we are in perilous times or country is at steak!
where have the Patriots gone? anyone?
Khrushchev’s prediction is coming true! Thanks Ted


37 posted on 05/15/2008 7:50:19 AM PDT by mtnjimmi (“When you choose the lesser of two evils, always remember that it is still an evil.” Max Lerner)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel; grundle

I respectfully disagree, Mr. Cletus.D.Yokel

The next president is probably going to be Barack Obama, The Single Most Liberal Senator, and only John McCain has a small chance of stopping him.

When you vote for someone who has zero chance of changing the outcome of that probability, you are objectively wasting your vote.

There is no insult in stating facts honestly.

When you vote for someone who has virtually no chance of winning, your vote has zero effect on the outcome.

It is not an insult to point out that voting for Ron Paul is a waste of time any more than it is an insult, Barack Obama’s objections notwithstanding, to point out that Barack Obama’s middle name is “Hussein” or that he is, in fact, The Single Most Liberal Senator.

“Exercising Liberty” is not the same thing as “Protecting Liberty” or preserving it for others.

For example, I might be exercising my Liberty by drinking a beer or taking the Fifth Amendment Privilege against self-incrimination.

These are wonderful exercises in Individual Liberty! They do absolutely nothing towards protecting Liberty or preserving it for others.

When you conflate the two distinct concepts of “Exercising Liberty” and “Protecting Liberty” or preserving it for others, you reveal a failure of critical thinking. That statement is no insult. It is a fact. You have, in fact, conflated two distinct concepts and revealed a failure of critical thought.

I support everyone’s right to “Exercise their Individual Liberty.”

I respectfully suggest that you honor my right to speak freely and honestly point out when such exercises are a total waste of time and when such exercises further no beneficial purposes.


38 posted on 05/15/2008 8:17:22 AM PDT by TSchmereL ("Rust but terrify.")
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To: mtnjimmi

I disagree.

One socialist is not just as dangerous as the next.

Socialism is a matter of degree.

A MORE committed socialist is MORE dangerous than a LESS committed socialist.

More socialism is MORE dangerous than a LESS socialism.


39 posted on 05/15/2008 8:24:15 AM PDT by TSchmereL ("Rust but terrify.")
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To: TSchmereL

“Big Government Conservatism”

There is no such thing, and people who vote for it are not conservatives.


40 posted on 05/15/2008 8:47:28 AM PDT by Tex Pete (Obama for Change: from our pockets, our piggy banks, and our couch cushions!)
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