McCain on the Issues - Health Insurance Reform

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[Bob J]

There’s a difference between being upset, angry and depressed...and picking up your ball and going home (like a child).

McCain wasn’t shoved down our throats, there were 5 viable candidates but the 4’s supporters were too stupid to join forces to defeat McCain so McCain just walked in.

Did I imagine it or did every single registered republican get to vote for their candidate of choice? What happened?

[Virginia Ridgerunner]

Every time McCain opens his mouth for another speech embracing liberal or socialist policies, he loses more and more people who were thinking about voting for him out of fear. HE ALONE is responsible for alienating more and more voters.

[Virginia Ridgerunner]

Did I imagine it or did every single registered republican get to vote for their candidate of choice? What happened?

I'm a Hunter man, and I didn't get to vote for my candidate or any other real alternative (other than Paul or Huckabee, who was still on the ballot after having dropped out) since Pennsylvania's primary was held on April 22, LONG after McCain had sewn up all the required delegates, courtesy of cross-over Democrats and about 3% of all registered Republicans in Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina.

Because of GOP rules (which were heavily weighted toward McCain), our guys never had a chance against him. Now we're stuck.

[Bob J]

You didn’t get a chance to vote for Hunter because Hunter quit.

[MARTIAL MONK]

McCain came in forth in Iowa and got 0 delegates. The 13% of the voters who voted for him were disenfrenchfried, just like you.

Hunter got 500 votes. Yep, 500. But he was fixin' to surge.

[Virginia Ridgerunner]

Hunter, the most Conservative of the candidates, had to quit because he got zero help from his own party and from the usual bastions of Conservatism (like Rush) and even from many on this board (who succumbed to the "electability" kool-aid and instead shilled for Rudy, Huckabee, and the like).

In many ways, you're right, Conservatives share in the blame for not uniting behind a true Conservative early on and giving us at least some choice besides Queeg.

But I still did not have anybody to vote for in Pennsylvania because it was all over.

[pissant]

Hunter will have at least one vote for POTUS in WA. state. That much I know.

[MARTIAL MONK]

Hunter will have at least one vote for POTUS in WA. state.

See, I told you he was fixin' to surge.

[Bob J]

You couldn’t write him in?

[Bob J]

“and even from many on this board (who succumbed to the “electability” kool-aid and instead shilled for Rudy, Huckabee, and the like).”

So you didn’t write Hunter in because at that point he was unelectable? Did you not yourself succumb to the “electability” kool aid?

[ZX12R]

There’s a difference between being upset, angry and depressed...and picking up your ball and going home (like a child).

Feel free to label it anything you like. You're entitled to your opinion, but remember, it's merely your opinion. Until today, I was going to hold my nose and vote for McCain. After his stupid decision to way in so heavily on global warming, my conservatism now bristles with indignation.

McCain wasn’t shoved down our throats, there were 5 viable candidates but the 4’s supporters were too stupid to join forces to defeat McCain so McCain just walked in.

Similarly, that is your explanation. Obviously, he was the media and the RNC's favorite, for their "let's move left" away from the truth, and toward more stupid voters, (which are a plenty)and Bush Derangement Syndrome voters of both parties.. McCain truly believes he is ushering in a new paradigm for the Republican party. Which in my humble opinion will be disastrous for not only the Republican party, but for the country.

Did I imagine it or did every single registered republican get to vote for their candidate of choice? What happened?

They made a really, really bad decision. And I suspect, that more and more every day are feeling a bit unsettled by the things he is saying, and wishing they could have a do over.

[Bob J]

“They made a really, really bad decision. And I suspect, that more and more every day are feeling a bit unsettled by the things he is saying, and wishing they could have a do over.”

Incorrect. The single issue “real conservatives” as they call themselves split up their votes between Hunter (tough on the border), Huckabee (religious right), Romney (fiscal conservatives) and Thompson (most like Reagan) so much that they guy with the most name recognition and also the lowest common denominator, waltzed right in during the confusion.

This is politics. That these single issue voters could not see what was happening is only a testament to their blindness and tone deafness to political realities.

Now we have these SAME people doing the SAME thing all over again...marginalizing their voting power by shuffling off into a dark 3rd party corner, instead of building coalitions with those they can and presenting themselves as a large and potent political block that all candidates and parties would need to take notice of.

They are politically inept and are nothing more than ideological Pied Pipers who are more interested in the sound of their flute than the fact they are leading people over a cliff.

[ZX12R]

They are politically inept and are nothing more than ideological Pied Pipers who are more interested in the sound of their flute than the fact they are leading people over a cliff.

Even though I do see your point about the single issue voters, that hardly covers all conservative voters. It's the republicans that have left their own party, and leading people over a cliff. McCain leads so far left, it will be like no fight is taking place at all, over the values and issues that make this country stable and strong. McCain with his "In the end we're all Americans" crap, spells doom. Their are Americans, if they had the power, that will turn this into a third world nation.

There is also something to be said about not willing to compromise one's pricipals, simply to elect someone with an "R" after their name. The goal to many is not to just win elections, but to elect people to office that will lead the country and our society to good things. I am not going to forfeit my sole to elect a Republican.

[Bob J]

Ideology is ideology and politics is politics. Until you can separate the two you are destined to be frustrated, angry and contemptuous.

When you do separate them, you find to you’re delight you can keep all you ideology intact while realizing politics is a game that has to be played if you want to win. Somtimes you win, sometimes you lose...the key is losing small and winning large.

[ZX12R]

Ideology is ideology and politics is politics. Until you can separate the two you are destined to be frustrated, angry and contemptuous. When you do separate them, you find to you’re delight you can keep all you ideology intact while realizing politics is a game that has to be played if you want to win. Somtimes you win, sometimes you lose...the key is losing small and winning large.

It doesn't bother me that you see it that way. It would definitely bother me, If I saw it that way.

[Bob J]

I understand how you feel, I felt that way once. It is however, the reality of the situation and if conservatives feel they are losing it is because they won’t admit reality and play the game to win.

[Bob J]

BTW - People think politics is about ideology. It is not, it’s about power and money. Once one comes to that realization it is actually quite liberating and sets one on a true course of getting something important done.

The left wing has the same problems as the right. But the one that figures it out first is going to get all the goodies.

[Gaffer]

Thank you....

Thank you for solidifying the resolve of us "single issue Pied Pipers" marching blindling off that "No Way McCain Cliff".

Thank you for obscuring why McCain was chosen for the nomination by the likes of NYT and every other damn liberal media outlet before things on the Republican side had a chance to settle out, while simultaneously hammering on religion of Romney and zealousness of Huckabee and managin to hook in Fred's wife and let's not forget Rudy's multiple marriages while they're at it.

Thank you for so thoughtfully 'grouping' us as idiots Thank you for showing all of us holdouts how gracious and considerate you McCain appeasers can be.

You've really don't quite a job - you should be proud of yourself even though you haven't convinced any of us while every day McCain's mouth remains open, more former appeasers join us.

Thank you, thank you, thank you....you'll see what you have wrought election day.

[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

You evidently have misunderstood both of my questions, which are fiscal in nature. I will repeat them, below:

1.) Whom, specifically, do you suppose will be paying for the health care McCain's beloved additional 30-to-40 million additional illegals are (inevitably) going to need?

2.) From where, specifically, do you suppose that money will logically be coming? Will the marvelous magical Money Fairy be providing, in this instance... or: will McCain ultimately need to tap some other source, instead?

Please address the question(s), plainly stated. These strategems will require new and substantial taxes, or they will not. If so, then McCain's claim to be a champion of tax reduction is a false one; if not, then from where will the billions of dollars required for such a scheme be coming?

[dirtboy]

CHEAPER DRUGS: Lowering Drug Prices. John McCain will look to bring greater competition to our drug markets through safe re-importation of drugs and faster introduction of generic drugs.

Boy, that will sure encourage pharma companies to sink billions into R&D for new drugs, knowing that McCain is looking to get the results of that research to generic status more quickly.

Indylindy is right. McCain is McCain's worst enemy among conservatives. I am willing to vote for McCain for one reason and one reason only - the WOT. And all I can look foward to between now and November is an endless barrage of McCain's liberalism to challenge my willingness to vote for him.