McCain on the Issues - Health Insurance Reform

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[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

Again, you're a bit off topic here.

One more try, and then I'm simply going to throw up my hands and give up trying altogether. ;)

I am in no conceivable way, shape or form "off topic." The title of this thread is: McCain on the Issues - Health Insurance Reform. Discussion of how said "health care reform" is to be PAID FOR, ultimately, is not only germane, but absolutely necesssary, by any intellectually defensible standard.

So, please: no more of this "off topic" nonsense, 'kay? 'Kay. ;)

If McCain agrees with me, there are no increased costs

... and if I manage to master the art of super-hypnosis by tomorrow evening, Salma Hayek's private life is going to take a dramatic and otherwise inexplicable turn. One's just as defensible a supposition as the other, I imagine. ;)

[SJackson]

chocolate castle and marshmallow moat.

You watch the Food Channel?

I HATE those cake show too.

[roamer_1]

I, too, regard posters such as the above as being "the best of company!" ;)

God bless JR.

[SJackson]

Health care, largely paid for by private insurance and medicare for the geezers, is paid for by the consumers. Either through premiums or taxes.

You're off topic on illegals, I've explained that, "reform" in the context of the position statement excludes them

IMO health care shold be paid for by the consumers, imo the most sensible way through insurance for most of us.

Availability is an issue, particularly availability outside the confines of an employer.

I've explained that, read my posts, I'll respond to disagreements.

You're really concerned about illegals. I am too, but I recognize much of that fight is lost.

Employers of guest workers, my opinion not McCains, must be responsible for insurance, health, liability, unemployment.

If they're not, we're all going to pay for it, in dollars, and in reduced standards of care.And yes, I'd like to see him address the elephant.

[Bob J]

“I will not make that mistake again.”

Yes, it would have been so much more fruitful for conservatives to have Gore or Kerry sitting in the Oval office. I bet the Afghans and Iraqis wish it were so.

Just like it was when Billy boy was there. Ahhh, the fond memories of passing ALL our legislation and sitting OUR justices on the Supreme Court.

No, you just can’t buy moments like that.

[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

I am in no conceivable way, shape or form "off topic." The title of this thread is: McCain on the Issues - Health Insurance Reform. Discussion of how said "health care reform" is to be PAID FOR, ultimately, is not only germane, but absolutely necessary, by any intellectually defensible standard.

You're off topic on illegals

Find the word "illegals" in the plainly stated (and, as yet, wholly UNrefuted) statement, above.

You're better than this, SJ. Seriously.

[roamer_1]

And in the aggreate most employers are not paying $10,500 per employee in health insurance.

Citation...?

Since I originally introduced the figure of 12k, I feel a certain responsibility to this question. I refer you to the same business week article I quoted earlier:

A Kaiser Family Foundation survey released last year found the average annual premium of an employer-based insurance policy is $12,000, of which employees pay about one-third.

Businessweek: "McCain's Health-Care Proposal" by Catherine Arnst

[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

Well, thank goodness someone, at least, is genuinely willing to address the relevant question of $$$ in all of this... ;)

[Busywhiskers]

John McCain needs to go read Milton Friedman if he really wants to reform heath care.

[roamer_1]

Yes, it would have been so much more fruitful for conservatives to have Gore or Kerry sitting in the Oval office. I bet the Afghans and Iraqis wish it were so.

*shrugs* As it turns out, With the Repubs now offering Gore's Globull Warming/Kyoto crap, and Kerry's insurance coverage, plus amnesty, it doesn't seem to make that much difference at all, does it?

[jmc813]

A simple solution. For the responsible ones among us, the irresponsible are a separate issue, and I've addressed guest workers, former illegals, in my last post. Employ them, you own them.

Slavery, in other words?

[jmc813]

FR has been through dozens of intra-site fratricides and blood-lettings that make this McCain issue look like childs play. I survived them all and am still here.

You sounded like Ric Flair just then.

[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

Slavery, in other words?

Speak thou no ill of the marvelous magical Money Fairy, unwashed Saracen heathen. ;)

[calcowgirl]

I’m not a cap and trade fan but at least it was reserved to US business’s only...unlike Kyoto which was a worldwide redistribute the wealth program.

Kyoto was a indeed a worldwide wealth redistribution plan, but absent China and India participation. McCain wants a replacement for Kyoto, also a worldwide wealth redistribution plan. He has said he would like to have China and India participate, but would go ahead without them if they do not oblige.

McCain has ALWAYS favored an international component in the TRADE of carbon credits. That is the element that will see the U.S. economy tank and will effect the largest wealth redistribution.

There is nothing good about his plan. He needs to start listening to Inhofe instead of Al Gore and Maurice Strong.

[Gaffer]

If you will remember, at the time, McCain was the one counted out....they (specifically the NYT) kept him going by propping him up... Then they started with the Romney, Huckabee, Guilinani 'questions' about religion (LDS), religion (right wing evangelicals), and yes about marriage and fidelity

You can vote for him, I'm not trying to stop you. The majority of threads started here are the reverse, questioning all of us detractors about this and that. Seriously, I think some of you are paid by the McCain Campaign to do this. You (maybe not you specifically, but certainly others here) all follow the same worn out treatise on why you have to vote for him.

[Virginia Ridgerunner]

They are politically inept and are nothing more than ideological Pied Pipers who are more interested in the sound of their flute than the fact they are leading people over a cliff.

So, I take it then that you are not a Conservative and don't subscribe to any of the ideological principles of this board?

Need I remind you that this is a Conservative board and not a Republican board?

Why are you here?

[Virginia Ridgerunner]

Unfortunately, the free wheeling nature of FR and it's loose rules has allowed and encouraged this behavior.

Conform or else, huh?

[dirtboy]

You do know that the American consumer underwrites cheap drugs for the rest of the world as it is?

Then address that issue through trade negotiations. As it is, pharma companies have a shortened effective patent life for their products because the patent clock starts when the drug is submitted, not when it is approved. Speeding up the process for generics will just eat into that further.

[LachlanMinnesota]

I wasn’t looking for you to be obligated, I was pointing out that if there are not taxes paid for the poorest wage earners, there there is not tax against which to take the credit and there is no benefit for those who would need the assistance most.

Thanks for your kind reply.

[Gaffer]

The only hysteria I see here on FR is with people beside themselves warning everyone else about the danger of McCain not getting elected --- it has to be for the soldiers, Obama will tear the country apart, Hillary will tear the country apart, McCain will do this, McCain will do that so you should vote for him.....

In truth, all McCain has done is SAY what he will do. His record does not support anything he is now saying. Even now, he is backtracking and rationalizing his way back to his old tricks (ala comprehensive immigration reform, etc.).

Personally, I won't vote for him - won't vote for the other two either (now, you're gonna tell me a no vote for him is a vote for them). I find it extremely arrogant for him to be 'looking' back on his administration in the year 2013 and revering all the wonderful things he's done (yet to do). This is an egomanic pure and simple. Rather, he should be reflecting on his part in tearing down the Republican Party these past few decades. No thank you Mr. McCain.