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The GOP Dumps on Conservatives, Then Blames Us for Their Losses
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Posted on 05/14/2008 6:04:41 PM PDT by newbie2008

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To: Kay Ludlow
Don't you think that has anything to do with the massive number of illegal immigrants that arrived in the last 10 years?

I think it more likely that the wholesale off-shoring of what were formerly high-paying jobs is the predominate factor. Read 'The World is Flat' by Thomas Friedman.

41 posted on 05/14/2008 8:19:44 PM PDT by RochesterFan
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To: Eagle Forgotten

It’s just a suggestion but I agree. And there is the Constitution Party and possibly some other existent third parties that should be considered. But the discussions couldn’t really begin until after the fall (again, if the Republican candidate leave the party before the fall election, I assume that the party could put a substitution on the ballot and/or it could make it difficult to get the new party affiliation candidacy on the ballot).

If the GOP cannot be reformed/reconstituted, perhaps it is best to abandon it. But I support this only if the conservative Republicans in office agree to change affiliation. A Democrat majority of 42% with 2 minority parties of 17% “Conservative” and 41% Republican does no one any good. The remaining Republican party would more often than not side with the Democrat party and the two would forever shut out the Conservative party from any panels. Some “I’d rather quit than switch” Republicans would just leave office altogether. Just as the Democrats saw retirements after 1994 when they were suddenly the minority party.


42 posted on 05/14/2008 8:41:55 PM PDT by weegee (Vote NO on Marxism in 2008.)
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To: shrinkermd
I think the author has the conditions in this country today exactly right. I do not believe Ronald Reagan could be elected today in this climate. The majority of the working class as long as they believed if they just worked hard enough one day they could get rich or even well off were not turned off to Republicans or the Conservative message. They didn't fall for the democrat mantra of tax the rich and they'd be better off. They voted on issues like abortion gun rights low taxes for everyone. They preferred the government to stay out of their lives and still believed in rugged individualism. I remember the days when sons followed there fathers into the factories after high school and earned enough to buy a home raise kids educate them and still have enough left to buy that boat the family enjoyed or even buy that little cottage by the lake. Todays working class are forced to lower living standards due to energy prices health insurance premiums property taxes ect... They cannot afford to educate their children in good private schools and most are forced to send their kids to the cesspools we call public school. They are scared and are looking to hear from someone who acknowledges their plight and at least pretends they will help them. They will be sorely disappointed by the democrats in the end but right now they hear very little from Republicans that addresses their concerns.
43 posted on 05/14/2008 8:59:36 PM PDT by mimaw
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To: shrinkermd
In any case with 11 cents of every consumer dollar going for gasoline vs. the 10 year average of 4%, the electorate is angry, upset and in a blaming mood. It will take a while for them to figure out that the Democrats are not going to return this country to its traditions of cheap energy, cheap food and cheap housing.

A LONG while. If the Demos take over the whole block, which is one likely scenario, they will blame Bush FOREVER.

44 posted on 05/15/2008 12:07:45 AM PDT by dr_lew
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To: Balding_Eagle

Flip-Flopping? Yeah, sure, like Hell. You missed the point. We had self described “Conservatives” that could have voted for Thompson, Hunter, or even Romney this year and didn’t. You tell me why they didn’t.

I’ll vote for a moderate Republican over any Damn Democrat any Damn Day. I won’t like it, but in the end my interests will be more likely to be advanced or protected than if the socialists take over.


45 posted on 05/15/2008 3:47:46 AM PDT by Oklahoma
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To: Tailback

I agree with the lockstep theory, now. However, this is because the Democrat party is so thoroughly owned by the radicals. Prior to 1968, the yellow dog southern Democrats maintained a powerful bloc, and with the last elections, the blue dogs made significant gains.

In past, I’ve even come to the conclusion that the Democrat radicals are so dangerously incompetent as far as military policy and foreign affairs (as well as economics), that the
Pentagon should create a black program to encourage veterans to run for public office.

It would be done solely because ignorance of our military and foreign affairs represents a major threat to the security of the United States. Elected officials (of both parties) who live in a fantasy-land of naive ignorance and enthusiastic stupidity are able and willing to start wars that would kill millions of innocent people.

Veterans know better. And while this Pentagon program would be utterly neutral about non-military, non-foreign affairs policies, it would help insure that there are enough veterans serving in congress to prevent terrible disasters or infiltration by foreign powers.


46 posted on 05/15/2008 6:25:54 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Oklahoma

Yeah, I did miss your point. Thanks for setting me straight.


47 posted on 05/15/2008 7:11:27 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (OVERPRODUCTION......... one of the top five worries for American farmers.)
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To: make no mistake

For one of those seats lost, the Republican was running as a Liberal, and the Democrat was running as a Conservative. The outcome should be enlightening.


48 posted on 05/15/2008 7:13:57 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. - Ratatouille)
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To: Oklahoma

I disagree.

The leadership of the party causes the Republican Party’s struggles.

The party established the rules in the primaries, did not require only Republicans to vote in them, and decided that a few select states could vote before everyone else so as to eliminate the conservative choices by the time I could vote.

The party put resources into who should win those early races to see that the anointed one of the party is chosen. I have never been allowed to vote for my candidate in any meaningful way. The choice for me is easy. I am an irrelevant voter. My vote to nominate can never affect the outcome.

My vote should have as much power as those initial votes in Iowa or Florida. Theirs count, and mine does not.

Now, it is as if we had 100 voters, but the first ten in line get to pick the candidate, and the other 90 can vote for the survivor. If those 90 don’t approve, then they are at blamed for voting in the opposition.

What kind of a democracy is this? One man, one vote…the first to count, the last to confirm.

This is no democracy. This is a game.

I will not accept responsibility for “allowing” a Democrat into the office because I cannot support McCain for President. That was the known and reasonable outcome of the party apparachiks who planned this whole mess. I will not sanction it with my vote.

Don’t expect me to accept the resulting choice for McCain for the greater good of the country or party. If the Republicans cared about the greater good of the country or the party, they would not structure the primaries so, and they would give everyone a chance to vote for a conservative when it actually mattered.

The Republican Party is responsible for this terrible dilemma, and I am not responsible for the outcome of the vote...The party wanted it this way, now they can have it this way.

We need a national primary day with closed primaries.


49 posted on 05/15/2008 7:20:27 AM PDT by LachlanMinnesota (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: RochesterFan
I think it more likely that the wholesale off-shoring of what were formerly high-paying jobs is the predominate factor. Read 'The World is Flat' by Thomas Friedman.

I have read it, I'm just not completely in agreement with his analysis. Some of the reduced wages are the result of off-shoring, no question about that. Bu, remember when we were going to have the "giant sucking sound from Mexico" if NAFTA passed? That didn't work out very well, because the rule of law is not as strong south of the border (all the way to the Antarctic. Our companies tried that, but ended up bringing out neighbors here to work so their capital equipment investments would be protected. That is a problem in China as well, that our equipment isn't stolen outright, but duplicated and our customers stolen. It's only really been going gangbusters for 10-15 years, but it'll come around to bite them. Our current government legal structure encourages short-term gains over long term gains, so that's what companies are doing.

50 posted on 05/15/2008 3:39:32 PM PDT by Kay Ludlow (Free market, but cautious about what I support with my dollars)
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To: Kay Ludlow
Our current government legal structure encourages short-term gains over long term gains, so that's what companies are doing.

I have watched as my employer has eviscerated our manufacturing and research labs. It has not been pretty. Many wonderful scientists have been laid off. Sad, very sad.

51 posted on 05/15/2008 5:26:19 PM PDT by RochesterFan
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To: RochesterFan
I have watched as my employer has eviscerated our manufacturing and research labs. It has not been pretty. Many wonderful scientists have been laid off. Sad, very sad.

Yes, it is. And, our schools aren't really developing kids to want to be scientists, as preparing for science is hard work and our schools are discouraging hard work. We continue to train the new scientists for the world, but don't develop our own because the only market for them seems to be government or academia.

52 posted on 05/15/2008 5:35:00 PM PDT by Kay Ludlow (Free market, but cautious about what I support with my dollars)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

See
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2016039/posts
or
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2016226/posts


53 posted on 05/15/2008 10:55:06 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Ramius

No I don’t think Gore or Kerry would have been a better president.

Do you not think that Bush has badly hurt the Republican party?? So much so we are losing Congressional seats in Mississippi!


54 posted on 05/31/2008 5:04:31 PM PDT by RKB-AFG (1133)
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