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UK: Man is stabbed to death...knife-carrying thugs will escape with a fine
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=566025&in_page_id=1770&ct=5 ^ | 13th May 2008 | staff writer

Posted on 05/13/2008 8:07:35 AM PDT by yankeedame

As man is stabbed to death on Oxford St, knife-carrying thugs will escape with a fine

Last updated at 15:04pm on 13th May 2008

Thugs found carrying knives should not be jailed under new proposals announced on the day a man died after his throat was slit on London's Oxford Street.

Britain's most senior judge, Lord Chief Justice Phillips, says people found with knives for the first time should escape with a community order.

The sentence could even be lowered to a fine if there were mitigating circumstances, according to his advice which has been issued to magistrates' courts by the Sentencing Guidelines Council.

His guidelines emerged today, as police named the victim of yesterday's fatal stabbing in Oxford Street as Steven Bigby, a 22-year-old from north London.

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Stunned shoppers watched as paramedics tried to save
the victim's life after the Oxford Street attack
Shoppers witnessed horrific scenes as two men pounced on Mr Bigby as he left McDonald's, then stabbed him and slit his throat.

People scattered as he stumbled out onto the street and collapsed.

Two men were seen running away from the scene and a blood-stained pen-knife was found outside a bookshop 50 metres away.

It is the fifth fatal stabbing in London since Boris Johnson became mayor less than a fortnight ago, pledging a zero-tolerance policy to knife crime in the capital.


Lord Phillips has said those found in possession
of a knife could be let off with a fine

A spokesman from Scotland Yard said today: "We do not believe that he was targeted. We do not believe that it is related to another crime."

Detectives are today examining footage from CCTV cameras which is believed to have caught the murder on film and are calling for the public to come forward with any pictures of the scene.

Acting Detective Chief Inspector Bob Mahoney from the Met's Homicide and Serious Crime Command, said: "We would be very keen to see these photographs as they could hold key information.

"This attack took place at a peak time in one of the busiest streets in London.

"We are very keen to speak to anyone who was in the Oxford Street area at the time of the incident who either witnessed this violent attack or who saw people running from the area."

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A bloody knife found lying on the street 50 metres away could be the murder weapon


Witnesses claimed the man was stabbed and had his throat cut as shoppers scattered

Oxford Street was sealed off yesterday as paramedics fought to save the victim as hundreds of shoppers and commuters looked on. He was taken to St Thomas' Hospital but died shortly after arrival.

A worker at the HMV music store, which is opposite McDonald's, said: "I heard that first they stabbed him and then lunged back at him and slashed his throat. I can't believe someone would do this in broad daylight. It could have happened to anyone of us. It could have happened to me. It's crazy."

Joe Hill-Wilson, 26, said: "He stumbled into the road. There were lots of paramedics around him giving him CPR, and hundreds of people watching." Another witness said: "So many people were around I can't believe those guys thought they could get away with stabbing someone. You just don't expect something like this to happen

One woman said a member of the public had tried to help the dying man.

She said: "He was on the floor. There was a woman with him, her hands covered in blood. She was trying to help him."

Since January, last year there have been 39 teenage murders in the capital.

The latest killing follows the death of 16-year-old Jimmy Mizen in Lee, South-East London, on Saturday. He was the 13th teenager to be murdered in London this year.

On Sunday, two youths were wounded in a double stabbing in Holloway, North London, and 68 young people under 25 have been killed with guns or knives since the start of the year.


losed of part of the street while paramedics battled to save the man's life


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To: the scotsman
Firstly, all cities in history have been multicultural, thats their nature by definition.

Secondly, yes, I forgot, London IS England.Actually, I thought it was the major city of 8 million, which leaves about 40 million in England who dont live in London...

First, I was replying to a poster, not you, who was discussing "Londonistan" which has a Muslim population of around 10%. Get it? Not "UKistan", not "Englandistan" but "Londonistan". Can you see why my posting of the percentage of Muslims in London was much more relevant than the previously posted percentage of Muslims in England?

Second, it is totally untrue that "all cities in history have been multicultural, thats their nature by definition." In fact, that's one of the silliest things I've seen posted. You might want to look at current places like Tokyo with a population of over 12 million who ethnically are 99.5+% Japanese. There are many other modern examples let alone the fact that historically many cities were monocultural.

Thanks for playing, though.

41 posted on 05/14/2008 1:20:29 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: Prokopton

No need to be so sneery and pompous,never make a statement that be counterargued?. You want to tell me Im wrong, fine. No need for the superiority.

Ok, not all cities in history, but most. ‘All’ was I admit a gross overstatement and sloppy history on my part. But going back to the days of the Romans, Greeks and even further back, cities usually have been places where disparate groups of different races, religions and cultures met and meet to trade and some to live within those cities.

I would also strongly disagree that ‘most cities’ have historically been mono-cultural.Look at the great cities of history and today and you will find that most cities, not all,but most have not been mono-cultural. Perhaps not a mass of multi-culture with no prominent racial/cultural group, but certainly even if one group is larger and predominates the others, these cities have always had a sizeable immigrant minority. In past time, they came as traders, now they come merely as economic migrants.

Ancient Rome or Athens,medieval Paris or modern London...

Perhaps multicultural IS the wrong term, I would and should have said multi-racial, I will happily grant you that.


42 posted on 05/14/2008 2:13:02 PM PDT by the scotsman
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To: the scotsman
No need to be so sneery and pompous

Take a look at your first post to me in reply to my simple statement of fact...and then look up the word projection.

43 posted on 05/14/2008 2:18:49 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: Always Right
First outlaw guns. And they still have murders. So now outlaw knifes.

they've already passed a de facto ban for Katana and Wakizashi there. So knives are next after guns and swords.

44 posted on 05/14/2008 2:24:27 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Party ahead of principles; eventually you'll be selling out anything to anyone for the right price.)
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