Posted on 05/12/2008 1:18:00 PM PDT by george76
The video shot in Jack Foerschler’s barn shows his flock of sheep lying quietly in the dark...
The flock seems peaceful, until the animals are suddenly startled. A nanosecond later, a blur leaps into the screen and tackles one of the sheep. The ewe is able to escape momentarily, jumping up from the creature’s clutches, running to the viewer’s left. But the invader is faster. It bounds to its feet and extends a claw toward its fleeing prey.
The viewer can see its massive claws, slender muscular body and distinctively long tail.
The culprit that killed four ewes, a ram and seven lambs ...
“I’ve never had a mountain lion kill sheep,” Foerschler said this week, relieved that his suspicion that someone had shot his animals was wrong. “I’ve lost one to a coyote, lots to dogs, but never to a lion or a bullet. I can say now, never a bullet.”
Kevin Lansford, predator biologist and staff specialist with the Nevada Department of Wildlife, said there are an estimated 2,500 mountain lions statewide. Solitary creatures, the females weigh between 85 and 100 pounds. Males weigh between 130 to 170 pounds. From nose to tip of tail they can be anywhere from six to seven feet long, said Lansford.
And their behavior when going after prey mimics no other animal.
“Their power and prowess and their ability to stalk and hunt large animals is amazing,” .
It’s not uncommon for someone to confuse a lion kill with a gunshot wound,
(Excerpt) Read more at nevadaappeal.com ...
Anyone who would leave out anti freeze for a large animal to drink —is not stable and should not be living free in our society.
Gators and Crocs eat anything that gets close enough to the water for them to catch. You dont think a panther, especially and cub or young adult cant end up as gator food?
As for the evidence, there is likely to be none, since gators and crocs take their kills into the water to feed. Evidence of their feeding ends up at the bottom of the river or glades.
I’ve seen film of African crocs taking other predators, (lion and hyeena) that came to drink. Meat is meat as far as they’re concerned.
Fawn,
Do you know some nut is posting under your screen name?
That post of unknown origin (hopefully unknown, otherwise you need another cup of coffee) is from a whacko site devoted to advancing the enviro-socialist agenda of using the “critter du jour” to further take land and further extend government control over people still living on land outside cities.
Check the scientific literature and you will learn the following:
1. There are some 32,000 such puma.
2. The correct scientific name is Felix concolor couguar - forget the old loudly brayed ‘endangered Florida panther subspecies erroneously called coryii.
3. Also forget the 14 other subspecies of that cat in the USA once “known” (by to what turned out to be agency bureau-scientists), ‘cause the DNA sez that ALL puma in the USA are “genetically homogeneous”.
3. Try calling the FloriDUH Wildlife Conservation Commission.
4. Ask for documents detailing the actual number of said cats in Florida.
5. Above all, do accept that one human being attacked by any agency's pampered panther is too high a price to accept.
6. Allowing cats to maul, kill, and eat humans is far too high a price to ask to merely keep Panther Panderers on agency payrolls.
Fawn, I have spent several years, and too many dollars of my own money trying to educate my fellow Americans. History and science are unambiguously clear about the validity of what Homer The Greek wrote a long time ago - that “between Man and lion there can be no compact”.
The authorities know full well what they are doing. Some do it for money. The more evil among them do it because they believe that government should own America's land and they are using the puma (and other critters and plants) to pervert America from a nation of privately owned land to a socialist nation where goobers in the gooberment own and control the land.
May I suggest examining those whose intellectual constructs you are supporting, lest you be rightfully seen as one who supports turning America into a socialist nation.
Please consider whether you want to give intellectual and moral support to AgencyPersons willing to let humans die a horrible death just so that their useless agency jobs will continue.
“Anyone who would leave out anti freeze for a large animal to drink —is not stable and should not be living free in our society.”
Fawn,
Are you either a psychiatrist or a judge? Just wondering.
Do remember that if America does allow poisoning of undesired animals, and it does, then which poison used is merely quibbling.
I suspect you have accepted the animal rights whacko belief that equates an animal life with a human life.
That belief is clearly indefensible morally, ethically, and legally.
Have you considered that by listing a large bodied predator under the Endangered Species Act guarantees the longer death by poisoning rather than a quick shooting death?
Where did you acquire the delusion than any American would be willing to be mauled, clawed, killed and eaten by some listed beast because you think that should occur?
When an American can’t protect himself legally because of the egregiously un-Constitutional Endangered Species Act, Americans WILL kill the threatening predator illegally because they don’t want to suffer a horrid death.
It IS better to be tried by a jury of twelve than to be carried (in a closed coffin due to having been largely eaten by one of your beasts) to ones early grave.
Since you seen deeply attached to the beliefs of the animal whacko movement, have you considered seeking professional psychiatric help? The normal do not want humans to be disarmed and left for wild beasts to maul, kill, and devour them.
Your posts seem to support the sociopathy so frighteningly stated by Dr. Paul Beier when he said he of humans being killed and eaten by large cats _”I’m comfortable with that”.
I am not.
If you are comfortable with puma killing humans whose Unalienable Right to defense of life and property has been stripped away by the Endangered Species Act, please consider seeking help.
Arguably, your posts show indications of support for sociopathy and treason. Is this what you really believe and want to communicate?
If a cat get within attack range of gator, it well may be gator food. I merely meant to say that it seems to be an as yet unreported occurrance.
The gator killing puma was documented, however.
I asked if anyone had any data because there is a large, and usually underutilized, amount of data gathered by the experiences of those who spend lots of time in habitat with predators like gators.
Nice that you admit you are all for animal cruelty. I’ll bet you have a bunch of felonies up your sleeve.....care to admit any?
Fish, the primary food of crocs and gators, are way down in numbers in the glades, while the numbers of the former are way up. Gators and crocs are cleaning out the fish population in the glades and are having to look for other food sources, especcially the big ones. A 8-10 foot gator (quite common) is more than a match for an adult Panther.
This means they are competing for some of the same food sources as the panther as well. A bigger problem for the Panther than the gator or croc. Since crocs are also scavengers, a kill made by a panther is going to be a magnet for any nearby crocs which would bring them into contact.
In any case, that is my theory, based on my rather limited (though correct, I think), knowledge.
Out West, these cats have no similar competition, and have greater ranges in which to expand their numbers, not to mention more plentiful game.
“A bigger problem for the Panther than the gator or croc. Since crocs are also scavengers, a kill made by a panther is going to be a magnet for any nearby crocs which would bring them into contact.”
In my opinion, puma tend to live and hunt in areas which are too dry for frequent contact with alligators.
Puma are active ambush hunters and cover quite a large area in search of food.
‘Gators, on the other hand, are more akin to biological mines, in that they tend to lay in wait or slowly approach prey in the water.
“I was wondering when you were going to start calling me names...lol.”
FAwn, didn’t you note that it was either you, or your evil twin posting without your approval, who began with the usual enviro-socialist gambit of calling me “sick” ad nauseam?
Are you perchance what we on FR call a “Cat lady”? I refer to those deluded souls who see meaning and redemption in feral cats and the feeding of said critters?
By the way, I have managed to somewhat win the acceptance/trust of a feral cat which a friend has allowed to reside at his home.
Said cat recently decided he was not being offered the food he wanted (fresh chicken hearts) and bit my friend.
That bite resulted in cat scratch fever and a stay in the hospital for an IV drip of antibiotics. Kitty is now on thin ice, so to speak.
But, feral cats are what they are. The same applies to larger cats, except that a clawing from a puma can result in being disemboweled.
Oops, forgive my using a polysyllabic word, let me explain - that means the cat’s claws ripped open your abdomen and your intestines and organs are both ripped by the claws and are torn out of your body.
Puma are what THEY are, just as feral cats are what they are.
Fawn, do attempt to keep your posts somewhat in order. Originally, you claimed there were some 19 or 20 such poor, endangered panther. I do really have to call Bravo Sierra on your entire series of posts.
I will be happy to discuss this subject with you again, after you master the minimum factual data base necessary to such a conversation.
Sorry - that lie won't work. But it may qualify you for a job with James Carvile or the HillaBeast.
Killing a predator is hardly “animal cruelty”. It is simply something one may have to do to do to save ones life, because deluded animal whacko types have caused that predatory beast to have been given “protection”.
Try rereading my earlier posts. Obviously, you have not understood anything I have posted. I am fresh out of smart pills, so you are on your own when it comes to mastering the data offered to you.
As Mother said, “There are none so blind as those who will not see.
As to felonies, I have revealed the ignorance of many Libtards, from goobers in gooberment agencies who were too incompetent to correctly determine the gender of a puma around whose neck they had hung a radio collar to numerous animal whacko types incapable of reading a scientific paper after I carefully color coded the parts they could understand.
If revealing ignorance, malice, deliberate lying, ad nauseam is now a felony, then Libtards might well call Me an Unindicted member of the “Vast Right Wing”.
:-)
In closing, do consider that there is more to life than feral cats. But, if you continue to see meaning and fulfillment in them, do keep your antibody titer up, your insurance paid, and price rabies shots - maybe WallyWorld will have a sale and you and your cat lady friends can stock up.
Based of the literature, handing around feral cats can be hazardous to your health AND your wealth. Take care and good luck with the ferals.
I would not want to miss out on future discussions due to some feral cat not appreciating your feelings and efforts on behalf of such critters.
You are one strange duck .....
“You are one strange duck .....”
“Things are not always as they seem, Grasshopper”.
;-)
Humor aside, strange in what way?
Speaking of duck, I saw a bumper sticker that read:
Beware the Quantum Duck - Quark, Quark!
Have you guys ever seen a deer with a racing stripes down a side?
I was in the North Cascades two summers ago and a deer came up in to our camp that had healed claw marks on its sides — evidence that it had escaped from the clutches of a mountain line. We named it Lucky.
Up about 7,000 feet in the Pasayten Wilderness on hikes I’ve seen lion foot prints on the trail. Never seen any actual kitties.
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