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Why Barack Obama may stumble if the House of Clinton falls.
Times Online (London) ^ | 10 May 2008 | Tim Reid

Posted on 05/10/2008 11:55:54 PM PDT by lowbuck

Bill Clinton stands on a small stage in this tiny town, torrential rain beating on the rooftop, his all-white crowd of coalminers, schoolteachers and union members cheering him on. “Don’t let them tell you she can’t win this thing,” he hollers, his voice hoarse after another day of campaigning. “I’m telling you, she can win this thing, because of people like you, and places like this.”

There is huge affection for Mr Clinton in West Virginia, where his wife faces her next primary contest with Barack Obama on Tuesday. The former First Lady holds an overwhelming 25-point lead among one of the whitest, oldest and most rural electorates in America. The state voted for her husband twice, but backed President Bush in the last two elections.

Yet as the former President appears before loyal crowds across small town Appalachia, and his wife stubbornly refuses to heed calls for her to quit the race, there is a palpable sense for many Democrats that they are witnessing a changing of the guard, the final days of the House of Clinton, after 16 years of dominance.

Even as Mr Clinton spoke, Mr Obama was paying a surprise visit to the House of Representatives, where congressman flocked around him, grasping for the hand of the man many believe is about to become their new leader. Five more super-delegates pledged their support for Mr Obama yesterday, including one who had previously backed Mrs

But if Mr Obama has his sights on a general election against John McCain, he has a more immediate and equally testing challenge: how to unite a party, and a Democratic electorate, where large, crucial swaths of voters – especially white, blue-collar and the elderly – remain passionately loyal to the Clintons, and openly hostile to him.

As Mr Clinton’s barnstorming performance in Fairlea proved, he is still a potent force, and Mr Obama is going to need him, his wife and their supporters on side if he harbours any hope of reaching the White House.

It will not be easy. Such is the hostility among many of their supporters, that nearly half of Mrs Clinton’s backers in Indiana said they would not vote for Mr Obama if he were nominated. More than a third in Pennsylvania said the same. Not one Clinton supporter met by The Times in West Virginia said they would turn out for the Illinois senator. “You’d have to twist my arm a long way,” said Lonnie Ward, 62, a retired miner queueing to see Mr Clinton next to Cowboy Dan’s Meathouse. “Bill’s my main man.” Peggy Bland, 69, said: “She’s a strong, strong, strong lady.” And Mr Obama? “Oh no, I wouldn’t vote for him.”

Matthew Towsley, who has been selling Hillary and Obama badges, said: “It’s got real bad. Unless they can put them on the same ticket, there’s going to be trouble.”

Mr Obama’s big win in North Carolina last week, and Mrs Clinton’s narrow victory in Indiana, means the nomination is within his grasp. He is planning to declare a victory of sorts on May 20, after the contests in Kentucky and Oregon, when he expects to have secured a majority among the pledged delegates on offer.

Yet Mrs Clinton and her husband passionately believe that she is a better candidate to take on Mr McCain. She correctly pointed out on Thursday that she has a much broader base of support, even plunging into the minefield of racial politics by declaring that Mr Obama’s backing among “white Americans” was weakening.

In recent contests, she has won Ohio, Pennsylvania and Indiana with overwhelming backing from whites, blue-collar voters, women, and voters over 45. Mr Obama has been propelled toward the nomination mostly by African-Americans, the young, and the well educated. Paul Begala, a former Clinton strategist, inartfully summed up their case: “We can’t win just with African-Americans and egg-heads.”

Howard Dean, the Democratic party chairman, whose once-promising 2004 presidential bid collapsed in Iowa, said he spent months trying to persuade his supporters to rally behind John Kerry, the nominee. And they did not even dislike Mr Kerry. Gary Hart said that after he lost his divisive primary battle against Walter Mondale in 1984, he worked tirelessly – and held more than 40 campaign events – imploring his supporters to back the nominee. “And I was not able to move [them],” he said.

Even if Mrs Clinton loses, she will return to the Senate one of the most powerful politicians in the US. Yet for now, she has tens of millions of supporters across America that believe the House of Clinton must not fall.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; clinton; democrats; hillary; obama
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To: lowbuck

THE FALL OF THE HOUSE OF CLINTON. Sounds like it could be an Edgar Allen Poe story.


21 posted on 05/11/2008 3:54:00 AM PDT by The Ghost of Rudy McRomney (Using Hillary to nip Obama's heels is like beating a dead horse with an armed nuclear bomb.)
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To: Hildy

There are few things I could think of that would be worse than
having Mrs. Clinton on the Supremes.


22 posted on 05/11/2008 4:08:14 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: Hugin
Middle America will not elect a black neo-Marxist

Probably not. They will, however, elect a white neo-marxist.

23 posted on 05/11/2008 4:17:06 AM PDT by HerrBlucher (Asked on his deathbed why he was reading the bible, WC Fields replied "I'm looking for loopholes.")
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To: The Ghost of Rudy McRomney
THE FALL OF THE HOUSE OF CLINTON. Sounds like it could be an Edgar Allen Poe story.

As long as the story ends with "Nevermore", I'm happy.

24 posted on 05/11/2008 4:18:51 AM PDT by HerrBlucher (Asked on his deathbed why he was reading the bible, WC Fields replied "I'm looking for loopholes.")
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To: lowbuck

No way Obomba picks Hitlary for VP. The odds are immense that Hitlary would shortly be President and Obomba would be in Ft. Marcy Park.


25 posted on 05/11/2008 4:19:56 AM PDT by jsh3180
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To: skimask
What will be even more satisfying will all the treats we will hear about DUmmies moving out of the country.

They always threaten to leave, but alas, never do.

26 posted on 05/11/2008 4:27:02 AM PDT by 6SJ7
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To: lowbuck

Like it or not, you’re not going to see a ticket without a white man on it. Whether you like it or not - them’s the facts, folks...SSZ


27 posted on 05/11/2008 4:35:31 AM PDT by szweig (Had it up to here)
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To: lowbuck

Whether Obama would pick Hillary as VP is irrelevant. Whether Hillary’s supporters would vote for Obama/Clinton is relevent and that is not a sure thing.


28 posted on 05/11/2008 4:38:45 AM PDT by DugwayDuke (A true patriot will do anything to keep a Democrat out of the White House.)
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To: lowbuck
“I’m telling you, she can win this thing, because of people like you, and places like this.”



29 posted on 05/11/2008 4:52:55 AM PDT by vietvet67
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To: Hugin
Middle America will not elect a black neo-Marxist. Paul Begala had it right, there aren’t enough “eggheads and African-Americans”.

Agree... and if the DNC denies him the nomination... we won't have enough water to put out the fires.

30 posted on 05/11/2008 5:04:00 AM PDT by johnny7
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To: Hugin

Are there enough uneducated backward whites in the democrat party to put a candidate in the White House. Without at least 90% of the democrats most loyal base African Americans and all the new young voters can she be elected?


31 posted on 05/11/2008 5:08:14 AM PDT by mimaw
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To: szweig
Exactly.

I read that there is speculation that the messiah is looking at Ted Strickland for VP because of his reputation as a "moderate" and his popularity in Ohio and his high rating from the NRA.

And I have no faith that the average American will have the ability to look past the window dressing to the marxist cesspool we'll be in if the messiah makes it to the White House- no matter who the VP is.

32 posted on 05/11/2008 5:09:42 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: lowbuck

Obama is not dumb enough to have the Clintons on as VP to him nor does he fancy a foreshortened presidency.


33 posted on 05/11/2008 5:14:11 AM PDT by arthurus
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To: Hugin

Someone has to inform middle America that Obama is a neo-Marxist. Who’s going to do that? McCain won’t, because he too is a neo-Marxist (see his Global Warmening plans, see his destroy America thru illegal immigration plans).


34 posted on 05/11/2008 5:15:48 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (I'm just a typical bitter, white, heteronormative space worm clinging to guns and God.)
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To: Hildy
I think Clintons would take "second fiddle to Hussein. It is their surest and shortest path to the White House- two years or less- assuming they really can't snatch the nomination. Hussein would not offer it to Clintons for the same reason.
35 posted on 05/11/2008 5:17:40 AM PDT by arthurus
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To: Jeff Chandler
With McCain we may just possibly come out of the next four years with a Supreme Court not more liberal than it is. And if we manage to elect a bunch of conservatives to Congress this November (I think it will go the other way) we may dodge Amnesty and Kyoto II and the Fairness Doctrine.
36 posted on 05/11/2008 5:20:47 AM PDT by arthurus
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To: irishjuggler

Being a lawyer is not a requirement for the Court and was not always thought to be a superior asset.


37 posted on 05/11/2008 5:21:46 AM PDT by arthurus
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To: HerrBlucher

LOL


38 posted on 05/11/2008 5:24:10 AM PDT by The Ghost of Rudy McRomney (Using Hillary to nip Obama's heels is like beating a dead horse with an armed nuclear bomb.)
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To: lowbuck
the whitest, oldest and most rural electorates in America

The subtle under-current in this statement, repeated over and over in the liberal media, is the liberal journalists' relief that these people are old and will soon be dead and we won't have to put up with these racist, conservative Bible thumpers any more.

39 posted on 05/11/2008 5:24:51 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (A Zero Tolerance Policy isnÂ’t a one way street.)
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To: Joe Boucher
if Hussein is the president, Justice Clinton would be no worse from any others he would appoint. She would be less of a doctrinaire Marxist, though. She's too corrupt to keep her Marxism pure.
40 posted on 05/11/2008 5:25:06 AM PDT by arthurus
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