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To: epow
Given the long waiting list for adoptive babies, there is no valid reason to kill any unborn baby except in those very rare cases where the mother's life is at serious risk if the baby is carried to term.

I have a tough moral dilemma with forcing a 12 or 14 year-old child rape/incest victim to (a) spend 9 months of her life carrying the child of her victimizer; (b) suffering through the pains of a natal delivery which she did not choose and doesn't want (and which her parents don't want her to suffer either.

Frankly I can't see any moral upside in making a child or even an adult continue to endure the pain and trauma of rape to serve "the long waiting list" of adoptive parents.

42 posted on 05/11/2008 4:16:59 AM PDT by angkor
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To: angkor
So because of maybe .00001% of the time Abortion might be necessary because of rape or incest you want to mandate it for the other 99.99999% of the time?
48 posted on 05/11/2008 4:50:47 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.iraqvetsforcongress.com ---- Get involved, make a difference.)
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To: angkor

So you think an abortion would cause the child no pain either physical or psychologic?
If an adult impregnates her, and another adult takes her to have a living being ripped out of her body, which rape is worse?
A delivery may cause temp pain, most of which can be alleviated by anesthetics. An abortion causes life long guilt and pain. I know which I would choose for my 14 year old daughter, God forbid we would find ourselves in that position.


60 posted on 05/11/2008 6:01:17 AM PDT by Mom MD (The scorn of fools is music to the ears of the wise)
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To: angkor
If abortion is murder, then isn't abortion always wrong, even in the case of rape? Yes, it's horrible for a teenage rape victim to have to carry a never-wanted, forced upon child to term. But the question is, which is the bigger injustice? Traditionally, at least, murder is seen as the worst class of crimes.

It's a hard question to answer, but if you are to be consistent...

69 posted on 05/11/2008 6:43:11 AM PDT by tlj18 (Governor Sarah Palin for Vice President!)
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To: angkor
Frankly I can't see any moral upside in making a child or even an adult continue to endure the pain and trauma of rape to serve "the long waiting list" of adoptive parents.

Although I can agree that there is no moral upside to prolonging the rape or incest victim's suffering any more than is necessary, there is also no moral upside whatsoever to the deliberate killing of an innocent human being, and that's exactly what abortion does. I also agree that pregnancy and childbirth is an awful experience to make a young victim of rape or incest go through. But OTOH, if killing another innocent human being is the price for the young mother's avoidance of suffering, her mental and physical pain is just one more consequence of the rapist's crime and should be the primary factor that is considered during the sentencing phase of the rapist's trial.

IMO death by lethal injection is the appropriate penalty for forcible rape or incest that involves a victim under 16 years of age, or a victim of any age who is mentally handicapped. According to St. Paul's epistle to the Christians at Rome, God established human government for the good of mankind and gave it authority to punish lawbreakers with penalties up to and including death. There is nothing immoral, cruel, or un-Christian about the state executing duly tried and convicted perpetrators of capital crimes, and IMO forcible rape or incest involving a child or mentally handicapped victim definitely qualifies as a capitol crime.

117 posted on 05/11/2008 1:13:41 PM PDT by epow ("A political career brings out the basest qualities in human nature," Lord Bryce)
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To: angkor
Frankly I can't see any moral upside in making a child or even an adult continue to endure the pain and trauma of rape to serve "the long waiting list" of adoptive parents.

The 'moral upside' is that 9 months of 'torture' is not equal to ending the life of a baby. I am sure some women think having a baby that is an accident is only slightly less traumatic than one produced by a rape. Plus if you allow that exception there will be a huge increase in women falsely crying 'rape' just so they can legally kill their unwanted child. It is not about the mother. It is not about adoptive parents. It is about the life of a child who is innocent of the circumstance of their conception.
129 posted on 05/12/2008 9:24:15 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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