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To: norge
The only candidate who could possibly be voted for in this election, by conservatives, is John McCain, as painful as that would be to many of us (I personally hate many of his stands...  I understand this view.  None the less I think it is a view that fails to take into consideration other concerns.  I have listed mine below.

...but on the other hand, I respect his service, his sacrifice,...

I respect these as well.  I also respect the 600 to 1000 MIA troops a number of which were known to be alive after capture in Vietnam.  Those who were known to be alive had been seen by fellow POWs.

John McCain sided with those who wished to grant normalized trade status with Vietname prior to getting a full accounting for our MIA troops.  John not only took this stance, but was very disrepsectful to at least the representation of the families of MIA troops.  A full accounting hasn't be achieved to this day.

...his stance against abortion...  Which translates to pro-live and has been challenged...  (I don't know the particulars on this issue, but there are people out there who are not supportive of McCain at all on this issue.


...his stance for gun owners rights...  Once again this is an issue where some disagree with some McCain actions.  (Again, this is an issue I have not studied, but I would urge you to look around before you take this for granted.)


...and, in many cases, his stance against wasteful spending...  I have not seen anything related to this issue, and you may be right here.

...and for retention of tax cuts.  McCain fought against the Bush tax cuts.  He changed his mind when his campaign for President neared.  I can't credit the man for supporting the retention.  I just don't trust him on this matter.

I can’t even go into the issues with which I have a disagreement with him, because they are many...but they pale in comparison to Barack and Hillary).  If that were the only thing to consider, I would probably agree with you.  I don't find the prospect of a Hillary or Barack Presidency to be a good thing.  I do think there may be a worse thing, and I address that problem.

I have a living reminder of the folly of voting for your doggone principles...my grandson’s name is Ross, named by his conservative father, my son, who didn’t like Bush the First and felt he needed to vote on principle. Ross, to me, equals Clinton.  Perot was definately working in conjunction with Clinton.  It's clear they had contact before the election that was damning.  Without Ross, Bush would have won handily.

Don’t give me that “he’s supported by George Soros” stuff. That’s bogus, and anyone who has an ounce of intelligence knows it, as has been pointed out in this thread.  If Ted Kennedy, Barney Frank, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama had been tied to Soros what would your reaction have been?  You know damn well what it would have been.  You would have denied that their working together could be described in any terms other than negative.  For that reason, I ask for people to be judged equally here.  You can't spin a Soros connection in a positive or neutral manner.  That doesn't fly with me.  If it's rotten for our enemies to be associated with him, it cannot be anything but rotten for our side to be associated with him.

And as has also been pointed out in this thread, his 82% conservative rating is better than 60% of his Senate colleaques, and in this election, you aren’t going to get any better than that.  On issue after issue after issue, John has shown himself to have very poor judgement.  You can quote his voting record to me until you're blue in the face, it doesn't cover up his deeds that are leftist.  Global warming, Gitmo, Illegal Immigrant, judicial affirmation votes...  I appreciate where you are coming from, but I cannot sign on to your support for McCain.

I appreciate your comments.

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Senator John McCain wants to be the figure-head of Conservatism.  Okay, lets think that out...

John McCain becomes President.  He's still the same old John McCain.

The RNC backs his liberal policies to maintain a position of power
The Republicans in Congress back his polices to maintain access to the White House and quid pro quo
Republican candidates for Congressional seats move to the left, since John McCain proved that moving to the left assures
RNC support  and
votes
The Republican party leadership at the state level moves left as McCain and the RNC demand it
Republican candidates at the state level move to the left, since John McCain proved that moving to the left assures Republican support and votes
Republican Conservative office holders across the nation will be silenced
Apologists on Conservative forums across this nation defend McCain against the few Conservatives who are left, and attack them there (forums move left)
Last but not least, the Democrats move even farther left to differentiate themselves from McCain

Who writes Conservative bills and rams them through state or federal government after that?

Who talks about Conservatism from a position of power?  Who takes the chance to disagree with McCain on anything?

John McCain will have about three Senators and twenty Congressmen oppose his leftist pipe dreams.  that means that 97 Senators and over 400 Congressmen will support whatever he proposes.

Under a John McCain Presidency, Conservatism ceases to become a movement, and becomes a theory.  It will no longer be practiced by enough politicians to be viable.

Under leftist McCain, there is no functional opposition.  Promoting leftist policy, it all passes with little opposition, nobody objects to the liberal policies
Under leftist Hillary or Barack, there is not only a functional opposition, it grows by leaps and bounds in objection to their policies

We saw what a one party system did to Arkansas under Clinton.  It was terrible.  Now we want to install that in our federal government, leftists one and all.

No thanks.  Color me dumb, but I'm not voting to turn the U.S. into 1980s Arkansas.

LINK: Welcome to McCain's impact on the Republican National Committee, it's happening
LINK: Welcome to McCain's impact on future candidates, it's being advocated
LINK: Welcome to McCain's impact on State level Republican party leadership, it's happening
LINK: Welcome to McCain's impact on Republican Conservative office holder voices, it's happening
LINK: Welcome to McCain's impact on Conservative forums, it's happening

Folks, you either wake the hell up, or doom conservatism to oblivion.  After November the 4th, it's too late.  You will have silenced Conservatism in our nation for four or eight years, and quite possibly forever.

162 posted on 05/10/2008 7:40:19 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Who opposes John McCain's leftist agenda? The RNC, Rep Congress members, the Democrats? Good luck!)
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To: DoughtyOne

Well, that’s just great. Then what are you going to do? Voting for Paul or a write-in, or not voting at all, just to satisfy your principles, is a vote for whomever the Dems nominate.

That would be far worse than voting for McCain.

There just isn’t another option.


216 posted on 05/10/2008 10:21:16 PM PDT by norge
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