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Group Discusses Decriminalizing Polygamy (YFZ/FLDS Daily Thread - 5/10/08)
KUTV.com ^ | 5/09 9:41 pm | N/A

Posted on 05/10/2008 7:17:57 AM PDT by MizSterious

Group Discusses Decriminalizing Polygamy

Last Update: 5/09 9:41 pm

It's outlawed under the Utah constitution and that's unlikely to change. But decriminalizing it could mean lesser penalties for bigamy convictions.

“I think something needs to happen. Something needs to be changed. It needs to be decriminalized,” said Dorothy Allred Solomon.

Solomon is the daughter of Rulon Allred she says she grew up in polygamy and said she had a happy childhood. Allred was murdered in 1977 in a hit ordered by rival polygamist Ervil Lebaron.

“What happens when a way of life is outlawed is that it attracts outlaws. And it attracted the worse sort of outlaws in the Lebaron case,” she said.

In the wake of the FLDS raid in Texas, there may be a chorus of people close to polygamy here in Utah sounding the same call.

“The polygamy statute needs to be revised. Thoroughly revised,” said Don Timpson who lives in a polygamous community. “The state has to realize that polygamy is not going away.”

Attorney general Mark Shurtleff is said to be open to discussion of turning polygamy from a felony crime into a misdemeanor. This could mean that a man convicted of polygamy may spend a year or less in jail instead of several years in prison.

Those opposed to the change fear it will harm innocent victims.

(Excerpt) Read more at kutv.com ...


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To: Marysecretary

I finally did that too. Everybody got the same socks. Then when they wanted the crazy looking socks I tye dyed them. They got crazy socks all right & I never had to worry about matching them....They weren’t really happy until their friends wanted socks like theirs. You learn to deal with things & make do....Even my oldest Princess Brat Daughter would wear them lol


81 posted on 05/10/2008 3:53:51 PM PDT by pandoraou812 (Doesn't play well with others or share .....)
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To: pandoraou812

They should come with a pair and a spare. I even loose my own. When I find a design I like I buy more than one pair because I know one will eventually walk out.


82 posted on 05/10/2008 3:56:24 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: CindyDawg
Well I knew of couples that were into three somes. Way back years ago. It never worked out for long. Because somebody always felt left out. Not to mention that drugs were a big part of their lifestyles. Thankfully children weren't involved. Funny in some of the ones I knew of the women usually stayed together & tossed the man out. I truly don't think it works well with 3 people.

I saw it when my children played in a group of 3. Even numbers seem to be better. I know it wouldn't work well with me. I get mad easily & I could never let any other women boss my children or me around. There would be blood shed if some witch hit my Sassy. I see life so much differently then I did as a teen or young adult. My values & morals seem to get stricter each year I age & I get btchier too.

83 posted on 05/10/2008 4:07:02 PM PDT by pandoraou812 (Doesn't play well with others or share .....)
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To: CindyDawg

Its the washer ...Since I got the front loader washer I find socks in the rubber thingy around the door. My old washer ate them I think. If somebody sold them in 3’s I would certainly buy them over just buying a pair.


84 posted on 05/10/2008 4:14:03 PM PDT by pandoraou812 (Doesn't play well with others or share .....)
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To: Awestruck
except I wasn’t addressing mormonism or “56 wives”.. I was talking about what is wrong with one man loving and marrying 2 wives? most on here don’t think its possible.. most think its about sex...

Nice to know that you think the govt could somehow draw the line @ 3 wives if they couldn't do so at 2. In fact, it would be much harder to do so.

85 posted on 05/10/2008 5:22:33 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: CindyDawg; Marysecretary
Someone posted..well some guys have a wife and a mistress. True but what usually happens...the mistress wants to be the wife and the wife usually ends up divorcing him? I’ve never heard of the mistress, wife and husband just deciding to co-op, and live happily ever after.

Which is why you don't have much polygamy out there--it's usually bigamy--like the case of a guy arrested this week. (Such bigamy usually involves deception of the other "wives"). It's usually religious polygamy--where women are told more spirit babies need bodies...
...where women are told if they want to be a queen in the celestial kingdom as a goddess...
...and if they want to be perfect as a "god-in-embryo" on earth...
...then they need to obey the prophet's wishes...

86 posted on 05/10/2008 5:27:30 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
I have been thinking of this quite a bit. I used to be a live & let live type of person. However I have always spoken my mind so it was hard for me to understand how polygamy worked with the women. Now I suppose if all of your life you are made to believe it was normal then you would have no other choice or wouldn't go to heaven or wherever they are going. So now I tend to believe the children are mentally abused. I have seen the FLDS compared to the Amish & that really makes me mad. The Amish allow their children out in the world to see how us English live, its called rumspringa. It seems like the FLDs is too scared to let their women & children see as the Amish say, the English world. Thats sad. I've wondered also does Warren's FLDS get tax breaks as a church? Since they want to live outside of the law why should we have to help support their multi wives & children? Where in their bible does it say anyone but a husband or the father ought to support the family or Bleed the Beast? I feel like we all been conned but good. Its not just the FLDS I take issue with that either... There are many groups scamming the govt & I am tired of it. I suppose if they had been more open about it & didn't scam everyone , have minor sex, child brides & interbreeding this wouldn't be so upsetting. I don't see how unless you are very rich you can afford polygamy. Not unless the wives work outside the home too. IMHO its just not a good idea. Do you know if any of the wives in these groups have ever killed another wife? Its all too messed up for me to really be alright with it.
87 posted on 05/10/2008 5:57:23 PM PDT by pandoraou812 (Doesn't play well with others or share .....)
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To: Awestruck

Christ talked about Adam and Eve, one couple, as the ideal. The patriarchs were not “blessed” with polygamy. It led to family disasters. Every one of the patriarchs who practiced polygamy ended up with miserable families. Abraham, Jacob, King David, King Solomon ... King David, “man after God’s own heart” was unwilling or unable to guide his many sons from many wives which led to rape and murder and rebellion among the half-sibs. Further, the Lord told him the sword would never depart from his house.

Some blessing.


88 posted on 05/10/2008 7:40:34 PM PDT by Cloverfarm (Children are a blessing ...)
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To: Colofornian

Very sad. Glad you got out of that religious institution.


89 posted on 05/10/2008 8:47:59 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: pandoraou812

That’s funny, and VERY clever.


90 posted on 05/10/2008 8:51:44 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: CindyDawg

Noo, I don’t think that would work at all. Of course, if the mistress did all the housework,laundry, ironing and took care of the kids, maybe...


91 posted on 05/10/2008 8:52:32 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Marysecretary

Sigh. We could use another “wife” around here. I put my paying job in during the week and housework on weekends. She would have to sleep in the guest room (alone) though.


92 posted on 05/10/2008 9:08:22 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: Marysecretary

Apparently, some people around here don’t believe that women deserve the same amount of love and attention from a spouse as a man does.


93 posted on 05/10/2008 9:37:15 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Better a leftist Dem with energized GOP opposition, than a leftist "Republican" with no opposition.)
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To: Marysecretary
It works well you have a bunch of teens like I did & a bunch of socks! When they wanted multi colored socks I thought hmmmm I have these socks so I will make them different all right. They laugh over them now but my oldest daughter still has a bunch she wears in the winter to bed. It was easy enough to give the boys a clothes basket of tye dyed socks & never have to match them again.
94 posted on 05/10/2008 9:37:57 PM PDT by pandoraou812 (Doesn't play well with others or share .....)
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To: NYpeanut; the808bass; brytlea; pandoraou812; ricks_place; CindyDawg; Huntress; Pebcak; ...

PING!!

This is a good article, but it can’t be posted due to copyright complaints.

FReepmail to be added to the FLDS Eldorado Legal Case Ping List

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/viewpoints/articles/0511vip-dougherty0511.html#


95 posted on 05/10/2008 9:42:01 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Better a leftist Dem with energized GOP opposition, than a leftist "Republican" with no opposition.)
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To: CindyDawg
Until she demanded her place & you had to get mad & bash her one!lmao!!! I think you would do better with a cleaning lady myself...
96 posted on 05/10/2008 9:42:08 PM PDT by pandoraou812 (Doesn't play well with others or share .....)
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To: pandoraou812

Me too..lol.


97 posted on 05/10/2008 9:44:22 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: CindyDawg

I don’t think I am going to be getting a cleaning lady ever though! I might get a new mop for Mother’s Day...That actually did happen one Mother’s Day my ex husband gave me a mop & a bucket with a wringer thing. I was so mad that on Father’s Day he got a Big Stinky Fly Trap & a pooper scooper. I get even!!! If I do get a mop I am going to whack the giver with it.


98 posted on 05/10/2008 9:48:38 PM PDT by pandoraou812 (Doesn't play well with others or share .....)
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To: Politicalmom

Cut off from his family by the FLDS?

What a wholesome, life-affirming faith that must be.

/s/

Thank you for posting, Politicalmom!


99 posted on 05/10/2008 9:48:51 PM PDT by mountainbunny
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To: CindyDawg

LOL. I have a wife who does everything here. It’s my hubby. Great guy. Loves to cook, and irons great! I AM spoiled.


100 posted on 05/10/2008 9:54:16 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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