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Hand-scrawled records untangling family ties (YFZ/fLDS Daily Thread - 5/9/08)
Laredo Morning Times ^
| 05/09/2008
| MICHELLE ROBERTS,
Posted on 05/09/2008 7:06:21 AM PDT by MizSterious
Hand-scrawled records untangling family ties
By MICHELLE ROBERTS, Associated Press
05/09/2008
SAN ANTONIO - Hand-scrawled records taken from a polygamist sect are helping untangle the spider-web network of family relationships at the Yearning For Zion ranch, where some husbands had more than a dozen wives.The church records offer a peek into an intricate culture in which men related to the sect's prophet, Warren Jeffs, enjoyed favored-husband status in the distribution of wives and all young women were married by 24.
An analysis of the records, which authorities seized in a raid last month, show that by the time a girl reached 16, she was more likely to be married than to live as a child in her father's household. The same was not true for boys.
Ben Bistline, a former member of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints who was raised in the sect, said Jeffs or other church leaders decided who got married and when. Jeffs is imprisoned on an accomplice-to-rape charge in Utah.
"It's just at the whim of the leader," said Bistline, who said successful businessmen who donate heavily to the sect or who are close to the prophet are generally favored. "There's a lot of nepotism involved."
The records, released by court officials last week, include 37 families totaling 507 individuals. At the time the lists were written from March through August of 2007, most of the people were living at the YFZ Ranch, though others were in homes along the Utah-Arizona line.
Two-thirds of listed households were polygamous, with the brothers of Jeffs and a senior elder claiming the most wives, up to 21 in one case.
Men still in their 20s made up most of the dozen monogamous marriages.
The husbands and wives were married in the FLDS, and none is believed to hold Texas marriage licenses.
Of the 19 youths listed as being 16 or 17, none of the boys are husbands, while nine of the girls are listed as wives. Only one 17-year-old girl remained unmarried.
Under Texas law, children under the age of 17 generally cannot consent to sex with an adult.
The young men in monogamous marriages will likely seek additional wives as they age, Bistline said.
"A man has to have at least three wives to get to the highest degree of heaven," he said.
After the raid, the state took custody of 464 children belonging to FLDS families, including one born later to a teen mother. Authorities alleged that teenage girls were being systematically abused and forced into underage marriages, while boys were being groomed to become future abusers.
Church officials insist they are being persecuted for their religious beliefs.
FLDS spokesman Rod Parker said the records indicate that many sect members "are either monogamous couples or adult couples, and that incidence of underage marriage is actually not very prevalent."
No criminal charges have been filed, though state authorities continue to investigate.
"Our investigation and prosecution will go where the evidence leads," Jerry Strickland, a spokesman for the attorney general's office, stated in an e-mail.
As in many states, government-recognized marriage in Texas to more than one person at the same time is a felony. But the law also apparently applies to anyone who "purports to marry," language used in Utah to target polygamists who marry in religious services but don't get marriage licenses.
Ken Driggs, an Atlanta lawyer who is an expert on the FLDS and the legal history of polygamy, said any prosecution of FLDS members for multiple marriages would be difficult because of the law's vagueness, questions of jurisdiction and the community's refusal to testify in previous instances.
"They have a tricky case in front of them," Driggs said.
The records are each labeled "Father's Family Information Sheet, Bishop's Record," and appear to be a kind of church census, with wives and children listed below the male head of household. The age and location of each individual is included, though some are incomplete.
Church elder Wendell Nielsen is listed as having the most wives at 21. Two of Jeffs' brothers also had numerous wives. His brother, Nephi Jeffs, had 14 wives listed. Isaac Jeffs, the brother who was driving Warren Jeffs when he was arrested outside Las Vegas in August 2006, had 10 wives listed.
The records, taken from a safe in an office at the ranch, were among the truckload of documents, computer disks and family Bibles seized from the ranch during a six-day search for records that showed underage marriages. Parker said he was unsure how complete the records are or what purpose they served.
Authorities raided the compound April 3 after a series of calls to a domestic-abuse hot line that purportedly came from a 16-year-old girl who was forced into a relationship at the ranch with a man three times her age. The girl has not been found, and authorities are investigating whether the call was a hoax.
Jeffs was convicted of being an accomplice to rape for arranging a marriage in Utah between a 14-year-old follower and a 19-year-old man. Jeffs awaits trial on other charges in Arizona.
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To: MizSterious
Well, polygamy among consenting adults who are self-supporting is nobody’s business, in my opinion.
Its the non-consenting underage girls and the welfare fraud that concerns me more than the actual polygamy. (Polygamy is a good way to get married if you want the title but you don’t actually like men.)
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posted on
05/09/2008 7:56:15 AM PDT
by
Appleby
To: MizSterious
Only one 17-year-old girl remained unmarried.
Jeez, an OLD MAID!! :)
In all seriousness, we know polygamy is ILLEGAL, but do we need to have our TAX MONEY wasted on this? As I said many times - ‘I do not care who you are sleeping with, just as long as you don’t tell.’ I don’t care if the person is sleeping with 4 wives, 2 wives and 2 husbands, a sheep, an inflatable doll or by himself - it is not my business!!
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posted on
05/09/2008 7:59:35 AM PDT
by
EagleandLiberty
(El Rushbo Tribal name -- RinoHunter Vote Conservatives '08)
To: EagleandLiberty
How about if they’re sleeping with 13 year old girls who didn’t want to get “married” to the slobbering old geezer her parents (or the church leaders) chose for her?
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posted on
05/09/2008 8:02:06 AM PDT
by
MizSterious
(God bless the Texas Rangers for freeing women & children from sexual slavery and abuse.)
To: EagleandLiberty
It’s your business if you have to support the “families”
To: CindyDawg
They had a RANCH... they were not bothering ANYONE!!! We are wasting TAXES on this STUPID case!! POLYGAMY needs to be LEGALIZED.
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posted on
05/09/2008 8:04:59 AM PDT
by
EagleandLiberty
(El Rushbo Tribal name -- RinoHunter Vote Conservatives '08)
To: EagleandLiberty
And what about child rape? Can the child rapists in the fLDS count on your vote for that, too?
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posted on
05/09/2008 8:06:21 AM PDT
by
MizSterious
(God bless the Texas Rangers for freeing women & children from sexual slavery and abuse.)
To: All
If sect fades away, Eldorado won't mind
12:00 AM CDT on Friday, May 9, 2008
By EMILY RAMSHAW / The Dallas Morning News
eramshaw@dallasnews.com
ELDORADO The satellite trucks and talk show hosts have packed up and gone. But this West Texas town, notorious for its now nearly deserted polygamist ranch, knows no normal.
The Lady Eagles high school softball team competing in the state playoffs are fielding more questions about the ranch than they are pop flies.
Attendance is strong at the Community Baptist Church's Sunday night DVD series: "Unveiling Polygamy."
And five weeks since authorities raided the Yearning For Zion ranch and took hundreds of children into state custody, ranchers in this farming town are only now resuming coffee shop conversations about when it will rain.
"The attention has come and gone over the years, but none of that prepared us for this," said Eldorado Success editor Randy Mankin, whose newspaper office, until recently, boasted the sign: "No interviews. Violators will be shot. Survivors will be prosecuted."
"Normal doesn't exist for us anymore."
It's a word that hasn't fit Eldorado since 2004, when members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, a sect that broke with mainstream Mormons over polygamy decades ago, set up a colony here.
At first, longtime residents were fearful, gritting their teeth as new construction sprang up on the horizon, and bracing themselves for when their new neighbors tried to take over city boards and the school district.
But that day never came.
Instead, the sect's world became a source of speculation and a tourist attraction. Some made T-shirts: "Eldorado, polygamy capital of Texas." Others made up jokes: "How do you get an Eldorado divorce? Use a bottle of white-out!" On Schleicher County Day, a local pilot offered flyover tours of the ranch.
High jinks aside, the sect remains a sore spot for longtime Eldoradoans who say they can't go anywhere without someone asking them how many husbands or wives they have.
"I think in a way the raid let us breathe a big sigh of relief," said Gloria Swift, a 37-year resident of Eldorado who runs a local coffee shop.
And most in town won't be too torn up if the sect members don't return.
"Something needed to be done," said Steve Kirby, 54, who owns Eldorado's Katdaddy Barbeque. "This is not the place for them to be practicing that religion."
Source: Denton News Record.
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posted on
05/09/2008 8:09:08 AM PDT
by
MizSterious
(God bless the Texas Rangers for freeing women & children from sexual slavery and abuse.)
To: All
|
Soon Canada could become the world's polygamy capital
Even Islamic countries are outlawing it, while the B.C. government dithers
|
Daphne Bramham |
Vancouver Sun |
Friday, May 09, 2008
Time's up, Premier. Six generations of B.C. children have had their spirits broken and their dreams dashed, while your government and its predecessors have dithered over what to do about Bountiful. The constitutional right of six generations of children to associate with whomever they choose have been stripped from them by prophets who insist it is their religious right to assign girls into plural marriages. Six generations of children have been denied access to a good education even though taxpayers fund their schools. Six generations have been denied the choice of what to wear, what music to play, what to read. They have been denied the constitutionally guaranteed right to freely move about the their neighbourhood, to say nothing of the wider world. Six generations of children. And the B.C. government has done nothing to protect them. Instead, Premier, you and your predecessors have been too concerned about protecting the rights of their oppressors, the patriarchs who have admitted to both breaking the Criminal Code prohibition on polygamy and having sex with under-aged girls. Small wonder that both Corky Evans, the New Democrat who for most of the last 20 years has represented the Kootenay riding that includes Bountiful, and Bill Bennett, the Liberal from the neighbouring constituency, prefaced their recent remarks in the legislature by saying that the issue should not be a partisan one. There is more than enough blame to go around.
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Excerpt. Read the rest at source: Canada.Com. |
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posted on
05/09/2008 8:13:24 AM PDT
by
MizSterious
(God bless the Texas Rangers for freeing women & children from sexual slavery and abuse.)
To: MizSterious
I believe in the FREEDOM OF RELIGION in the USA. If some crackpot wants to set a church up for POLYGAMY, it is not my problem. I do NOT want my TAXES going to RAID RELIGIOUS PLACES - I was against the RAID at WACO and I'm against this RAID!
I guess FREEDOM OF RELIGION is if the church accepts - monogamy, but I still think TEXAS was wrong in this RAID. Everything bigger in TEXAS -- especially if you VIOLATES PEOPLE's PROPERTY!!!
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posted on
05/09/2008 8:14:03 AM PDT
by
EagleandLiberty
(El Rushbo Tribal name -- RinoHunter Vote Conservatives '08)
To: EagleandLiberty
With rights go responsibility.
To: EagleandLiberty
The First Amendment does NOT guarantee the right to commit criminal acts in the name of religion. If it did, I could move ahead with my plans for the First Church of the Holy (and Spiritual) Bank Robbing. Naturally, robbing banks is a holy (and spiritual) sacrament.
For the same reasons my imaginary church isn’t going to pass muster in the courts, neither is a church that uses child rape as part of its beliefs.
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posted on
05/09/2008 8:20:53 AM PDT
by
MizSterious
(God bless the Texas Rangers for freeing women & children from sexual slavery and abuse.)
To: EagleandLiberty
Do you want your taxes subsidizing the fDLS?
______________________________________
“Currently (2003) the residents of Colorado City receive EIGHT dollars in government services for every dollar they pay in taxes; by comparison. residents in the rest of Mojave County, Arizona, receive just over a dollar in services per tax dollar paid.”
p.13, “Under the Banner of Heaven” by Jon Krakauer
To: CindyDawg
True! Now, I don’t condone the fLDS, but I do believe in FREEDOM of RELIGION. Now, fLDS should not abuse kids, and I’ll give you that. Again, the US taxes are wasted on these fring groups - from JONESTOWN to WACO to the YfZ. Now, congress is looking into MEGACHURCHES.
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posted on
05/09/2008 8:24:41 AM PDT
by
EagleandLiberty
(El Rushbo Tribal name -- RinoHunter Vote Conservatives '08)
To: MizSterious
Hey, they're the media, they don't have to know how to write. ;)And with The Dallas Morning News's circulation figures...she'll likely only be writing a few more years anyway.
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posted on
05/09/2008 8:26:53 AM PDT
by
MrEdd
(Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
To: MizSterious
the law also apparently applies to anyone who "purports to marry," Huh...well when are they going to use this against gays that marry with a ceremony in places where it is illegal for two men to marry?
This "purports to marry" is going to be a tricky issue one day- after all how can legal authorities say they do not recognize any marriage that does not have the license filed with the court, and then prosecute someone for being married when no papers were filed. Interesting.
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posted on
05/09/2008 8:29:03 AM PDT
by
Tammy8
(Please Support and pray for our Troops, as they serve us every day.)
To: Dr. Sivana
LOL! Eats shoots and leaves
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posted on
05/09/2008 8:32:27 AM PDT
by
Bigg Red
To: MizSterious
I wonder why they used the word “scrawled,” instead of “written,” in this article.
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posted on
05/09/2008 8:34:51 AM PDT
by
mvpel
(Michael Pelletier)
To: EagleandLiberty; All
There is much more to this than religion and polygamy. I cannot murder someone in the name of Allah here in the US and not expect to be prosecuted.
There are the lives of our most precious resource here to think about. Children are being abused, young girls being used as playthings for old perverts in the name of the “Prophet”.
I guess by your standard we should have let the 9/11 terrorist go, since they killed Americans in the name of their religion...
It's a slippery slope isn't it...
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posted on
05/09/2008 8:40:17 AM PDT
by
ejonesie22
(Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery.)
To: EagleandLiberty
I understand about wanting less government in our lives. I don’t believe our ancestors wanted us “lawed over” like today though but we are a nation of laws.. If people flaunt and break laws then LE must step in. If these are “strange” adults doing their thing..no kiddies involved/abused and no government support being received...I also say leave them alone. If however what that has been reported is true then they have endangered all of our freedom and rights and that does not set well with me.
To: MizSterious
FLDS. Or, if you want to make your own commentary, flds.
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