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Former Republican [Bob Barr] to seek Libertarian presidential nomination
CNN ^ | 5-8-2008 | CNN

Posted on 05/08/2008 11:13:54 AM PDT by jmc813

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To: fightinJAG
If you’re asking that sincerely, I’d just remind you that while the Electoral College determines the winner, the popular vote is still important.

In this situation it would say to McCain (should he still win) that conservatives clearly are not happy with him, but he has a chance to win them back should he veer right as President.

121 posted on 05/08/2008 1:59:13 PM PDT by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: theFIRMbss
Yes, very good

Nice. My haiku skills
were praised by the king himself.
Made my day so far.

You're still one of my
favorite FR posters.
Hope all is quite good.

122 posted on 05/08/2008 2:00:39 PM PDT by jmc813 (Eek!)
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To: SoCalPol

If the Republican party can’t come up with a better candidate than John McCain - they don’t deserve to win.

The party is pathetic and getting worse every day. I am no longer a member of it & have no loyalty left for the Republican brand name. It sucks. They had their chance and they blew it. It’s time to start a new course - think ahead for the future - not just to win an election.

We’re screwed no matter who wins, in different ways - but still screwed.


123 posted on 05/08/2008 2:01:33 PM PDT by alicewonders (I'm a conservative, and I'm hated by the GOP & the Dems - I must be doing something right!)
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To: theFIRMbss
Furthermore...

You posted "Anna
Kournakova" with no pic.
Way to break the rules.
124 posted on 05/08/2008 2:02:56 PM PDT by jmc813 (Eek!)
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To: SoCalPol
When you split the Republican vote in half you have already lost the election.

My original candidate for ‘08 was the only adult conservative running.

One could argue that Duncan Hunter, Tom Tancredo and the other marginal candidates that stayed in the race even though they could never rise above 1 or 2 percent - only served to split the conservative vote up & actually, were a huge reason that we now have John McCain as our candidate.

Is that being an adult? To stay in the race & draw votes against another candidate that might possibly have a chance to win? I liked Hunter, but frankly - I think he stayed in way too long. We were too divided, when the smaller candidates should have been the "adults" and dropped out to help to unify our cause.

Now, we're stuck with a candidate that I cannot, in good conscience vote for. He is not a conservative - he doesn't even try to pretend that he is. Sometimes I think he is a "spy" for the other side - he is that bad.

125 posted on 05/08/2008 2:09:27 PM PDT by alicewonders (I'm a conservative, and I'm hated by the GOP & the Dems - I must be doing something right!)
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To: alicewonders

or you could say the vast majority enterd the race after Hunter and they didn’t have a chance to start with.


126 posted on 05/08/2008 2:21:25 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Don't Blame Me - I Supported Duncan Hunter)
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To: Lou L
This is how conservatives snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

I'm not sure I'm willing to continue viewing the election of liberal Republicans to be "victory."

127 posted on 05/08/2008 2:22:22 PM PDT by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: jmc813

ACLU Contract Lawyer -— enough said.


128 posted on 05/08/2008 2:23:41 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: jmc813

Tank was a me too. Took credit for Hunters work.


129 posted on 05/08/2008 2:23:45 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Don't Blame Me - I Supported Duncan Hunter)
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To: ASA Vet

I am sure the dems will not let it drop. I also know that the lawyer mccain hired to write the difinitive brief on this several weeks ago has not published. Based on what. I’ve read, it is not a slam dunk.


130 posted on 05/08/2008 2:44:53 PM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: jmc813
Is it me or is every Democrat candidate the "most left-wing in history"? I distinctly remember hearing this about Gore and Kerry.

That was "the most liberal Senator" description by the National Journal for Kerry in 2003 and Obama in 2007.

Somehow it goes around the Internet and becomes "the most left-wing in history."

That National Journal description is certainly plausible.

Kerry and Obama missed a lot of votes when they were running for President.

The votes they did cast were presumably for things that were very important to the Democratic leadership, so they'd have made a lot of very liberal votes and few votes that didn't follow the liberal line.

In 2005 Obama was the 16th most liberal Senator, and in 2006 the 10th most liberal.

But in 2007 he cast votes on only 66 out of the 99 questions NJ considers, and 65 of those were for the more liberal side.

McCain didn't cast enough votes that year to be rated, according to the magazine's editor.

More here.

The most liberal in history?

I don't know. The assumption may be that liberals are getting more liberal all the time.

But according to some pundits, Richard Nixon was actually the most liberal President of the US.

131 posted on 05/08/2008 2:47:46 PM PDT by x
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To: Ancesthntr

I’m glad there. Will be one candidate in the election that has conservative principles and will defend the constitution, aren’t you?


132 posted on 05/08/2008 2:49:43 PM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: theFIRMbss

Please explain how republicans became entitled to conservative vote? Did they earn them with conservative policies and practices? Looking better than obama is not a reason, once a candidate is out off bounds it dosent matter how far.


133 posted on 05/08/2008 3:05:40 PM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: Lou L

“This is how conservatives snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.”

Only if you think a win by McCain is a victory for conservatives. I don’t.


134 posted on 05/08/2008 3:27:29 PM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: fightinJAG

If Bob Barr or Ron Paul were to somehow (Please, God, are You listening???) to be elected, do you not suppose that the whole Congress would fall all over themselves, at least for a while, to pay attention to what We, the People, had said by electing one of those two instead of the party hack? Especially if the new president’s coattails pulled in a few CONSERVATIVE congress critters???? I suspect they’d be all over the Conservative/SMALL GOVERNMENT agenda for a while, so a lot COULD get done.

Plus, of course, the VETO and judicial nominations which would shore up conservatism for a long time to come.


135 posted on 05/08/2008 4:32:13 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: fightinJAG; Ron Jeremy; jmc813; traviskicks

Look here, folks, we have the post of the week! So it’ll be OUR fault if McLame doesn’t win, ‘cause it’s our JOB to waste our vote on him... whether or not he has EARNED it.


136 posted on 05/08/2008 4:36:14 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: fightinJAG
It’s not your job to vote for a person you “want” to win-—as if your feelings are all that matter in this enterprise.

Good point. My principles are all that matter in this enterprise. Hence the reason I will not vote for Obama, Hillary or McCain.

137 posted on 05/08/2008 4:40:08 PM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: Chickensoup

“As this country polarizes the lefties become more lefties.”

What is it that makes Obama “the most left-wing in history” anyway? Is that just more MSM talk? When you look at him and Clinton, there’s hardly a dime’s difference between the two on all the issues.


138 posted on 05/08/2008 5:51:19 PM PDT by onguard
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To: jmc813; Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; ...


Libertarian ping! To be added or removed freepmail me or post a message here.
139 posted on 05/08/2008 6:36:28 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: dcwusmc

No, I don’t see that happening. At all.


140 posted on 05/08/2008 7:24:57 PM PDT by fightinJAG (RUSH: McCain was in the Hanoi Hilton longer than we've been in Iraq, and never gave up.)
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