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Raid on Sect in Texas Rattles Other Polygamists
The New York Times ^ | 5/8/08 | KIRK JOHNSON and JOHN DOUGHERTY

Posted on 05/07/2008 9:17:52 PM PDT by Politicalmom

COLORADO CITY, Ariz. — As the supper dishes were being cleared away and the rice pudding brought out for dessert, Marvin Wyler’s two wives, along with some of their children and a group of friends, began poring over the list.

The 44-page document, from a court in Texas, gives a glimpse of who is married to whom in the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or F.L.D.S. — and in the hothouse world of religious polygamy, a list like that is a sort of Rosetta Stone to the usually hidden relationships of power, politics and piety.

“We are adding up the number of men who may be going to prison,” .....

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: childabuse; flds; govtabuse; polygamy
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To: commonguymd
Ah, well that explains it. Like I said I miss my S Corp days, small business is much simplier...

As for the rest, if it were but that simple, which it is not for many medium to large Corporations.

For instance we for one like employing our fellow Americans, and in so doing we are willing to take a hit on the bottom line instead of bailing, but in the end we still have to deal with Uncle Sam as one of the hands reaching out for the income stream...

81 posted on 05/08/2008 11:30:00 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery.)
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To: Froufrou

I look forward to being taxed into recession and higher inflation if that happens. This country continues to grow government at an alarming pace.

Just watching a road crew right now, 35 people on the divider medium. Maybe one or two actually working. Who is paying for that?


82 posted on 05/08/2008 11:32:09 AM PDT by commonguymd (Let the socialists duke it out. All three of them.)
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To: Froufrou
I remember helping a couple of Non Profits out many years ago, it as a PITA accounting wise. For a government that was trying to encourage voluntarism and such, they sure did make you feel guilty for managing it...

And yes, in the end the middle and upper classes are getting it in the rear, either individually or through their business efforts.

83 posted on 05/08/2008 11:36:01 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery.)
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To: ejonesie22

Honestly, I wouldn’t have it any other way. There is enough money to be made finding something that operates profitably enough to additionally pay myself rent. Find a good thing and duplicate. Bigger isn’t necessarily better, been there done that (publicly traded co.), and I am no good at corporate politics.


84 posted on 05/08/2008 11:38:48 AM PDT by commonguymd (Let the socialists duke it out. All three of them.)
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To: Antonio C; Jim Robinson

“with your kind”

I used to be considered a great FReeper. I have FReeped right alongside Jim Robinson Himself. I have FReeped when no one else showed up. This site has turned ugly. “My kind” is an American with all the rights and privileges thereof.


85 posted on 05/08/2008 11:41:39 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: humblegunner

It’s long overdo IMHO. Time for a War on Cults.


86 posted on 05/08/2008 11:44:39 AM PDT by Antonio C (God bless John McCain, George W. Bush, and our troops)
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To: BlackbirdSST
You need to improve your reading comprehension.

Still don't have an answer? Of course not.

Sure, go for it. Show us where ALL citizens don't have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Show us where some citizens are permitted to rob other citizens of their Constitutional rights as the FLDS did to the women and children they abused. Show us where sex slavery is permitted. Show us how the First Amendment gives them the right to break the laws of this country and rape little girls and boys.

87 posted on 05/08/2008 11:46:21 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Colofornian
Which is why a nation wide crackdown with federal assistance is needed.
88 posted on 05/08/2008 12:08:57 PM PDT by Antonio C (God bless John McCain, George W. Bush, and our troops)
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To: commonguymd; ejonesie22
Just watching a road crew right now, 35 people on the divider medium. Maybe one or two actually working. Who is paying for that?

Did you HAVE to go there??? Our city looks like a detonation site, and that '2 guys working thing' is my pet peeve! TTC, my big white one.

We're a 'good' group, but when you come down to it, nonprofits can hardly avoid creating municipal expense. Fund a new civic enterprise, the city has to keep it maintained. The cost of not dragging our knuckles anymore is astounding.
89 posted on 05/08/2008 12:25:50 PM PDT by Froufrou
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To: ejonesie22; commonguymd

Back on topic, what do you suppose the fLDS folks have cost the great state of TX? When I left the welfare office 10 years ago, it was about $600/kid [age 6] per month for medicaid.

I never figured out why states cert them every 6 months and pay for each month [like an insurance premium] and then some of the months go unused.


90 posted on 05/08/2008 12:36:30 PM PDT by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou
Even worse is that the gaggle of people are doing “yardwork”. Several shovels, a few little tools, 12 trucks and one mower. 28 people actually. One is holding the shovel, 7 are on cellphones, and cliques standing around talking and yucking it up. Oh, and plenty of signs warning people of “people at work ahead”. 1/8 of mile done in 5 hours. Ugh. I call it pseudo welfare.

Interesting revelations on non-profit.

91 posted on 05/08/2008 12:38:54 PM PDT by commonguymd (Let the socialists duke it out. All three of them.)
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To: commonguymd; ejonesie22
Interesting revelations on non profit.

I never thought about it until now. The city took over paying for the maintenance of the conservatory we gave to the city. But it's been in decline for some years. I don't understand why they hand out tax abatements, either. You'd think after Ray Ban, Sony, Advanced Microdevices and American Airlines left town they'd learn their lesson.

Many people probably don't care much for culture anymore. And it's expensive to have a symphony, opera, art museum, etc.
92 posted on 05/08/2008 12:45:22 PM PDT by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou

One thing I had a concern about was the effort to release information stating that these folks would be going to the “better” facilities and homes. What about the other children not involved in this operation? Do they go to the not so better homes? How does that affect the needs of children in real detriment considering the caseloads of social workers? See, some of these children weren’t necessarily in imminent danger, debatable of course, but the size and scope of the protective custody order affects many others.


93 posted on 05/08/2008 12:45:58 PM PDT by commonguymd (Let the socialists duke it out. All three of them.)
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To: Froufrou

Even in schools across America, the culture and arts programs are cut first. Children coming out of school have no idea how to read music lone enough appreciate it. Painting is something done photoshop.


94 posted on 05/08/2008 12:50:49 PM PDT by commonguymd (Let the socialists duke it out. All three of them.)
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To: commonguymd; ejonesie22

It’s my understanding that of the 460 who left YFZ that all either are children now [by law] or were children when pregnant or married/abused by their ‘spiritual’ husbands.

I would suppose there would be great caution to avoid homes vs. facilities for the simple fact that it’s public knowledge the children may have been abused and would perhaps, therefore, be easier targets for abuse.

I guess I don’t have to tell you that doctor on the compound is in danger of losing his license.


95 posted on 05/08/2008 12:55:14 PM PDT by Froufrou
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To: commonguymd

I know. My husband and I lost our parents within just two years and I’m struck by the lack of graciousness these days. I try to remember that when I’m on the verge of road rage and watching 28 “workers” standing around the road I’m trying to navigate!


96 posted on 05/08/2008 12:57:25 PM PDT by Froufrou
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To: ejonesie22

I just got PITA. Yeah, it is. Big time. And I’m no CPA.


97 posted on 05/08/2008 1:07:48 PM PDT by Froufrou
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To: BlackbirdSST
Well, you certainly got me on a technicality. The Declaration says what we're going to do:

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men

The Constitution and Bill of Rights how we implement it. I guess according to you they have nothing to do with each other, and each live on an island. Or a compound.

98 posted on 05/08/2008 1:40:27 PM PDT by Pebcak
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To: Froufrou
Heh...

No problem, and I hear you on not being a CPA...

For the rest, the FLDS mess is going to get expensive for all concerned...

99 posted on 05/08/2008 2:05:14 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery.)
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To: commonguymd
Yeah, that's why I long for those days at times.

Moving from my little S corp to being part of the ownership/management team of a multi-state multimillion dollar operation was a rude awakening to how little I really knew about Corporate operations despite the years of being in business. That's the reason I get a bit miffed when I hear this whole “Corporations don't pay taxes” bit.

While it is true the cost are passed on to some extent, in reality taxes become a factor in pricing and profit more than anything else, basically an operating expense just like any other cost, be it supplies or utilities or whatever. Not all the cost end up being passed on, at least not at a one to one ratio, those days are gone. Either you decide that your margin will be lower to stay competitive in the economy we have now, or you look at options like relocation, but then that entails a whole other set of cost figures to be considered.

100 posted on 05/08/2008 2:24:28 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery.)
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