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Tracy Ingle: Another Drug War Outrage
Reason Magazine ^ | Radley Balko

Posted on 05/07/2008 9:13:08 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum

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To: calex59

Amen.


21 posted on 05/07/2008 10:22:17 AM PDT by starlifter
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To: Resolute Conservative

I’m hoping the irony is intentional.


22 posted on 05/07/2008 10:23:58 AM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: Resolute Conservative
Anyone who calls others idiots with a broad brush is himself one.

Anyone who can't see that those that support the war on drugs are idiots, is himself one. The war on drugs is analogous to prohibition. Anyone who can't see we are on a dangerous course, with the rights of many, many people in this country already being stomped on by so called "swat" teams who are merely looking to increase the coffers of their cities is an idiot, plain and simple. Yes, I use a broad brush because one is required to cover all the idiots who refuse, because of a sense of self righteous, and wrong headed, morality to acknowledge the war on drugs to be senseless and useless.

23 posted on 05/07/2008 10:26:58 AM PDT by calex59
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To: RachelFaith

excellent quote of an outstanding mind
and a great unapologetic post.

out
standing!

I love you...marry me!


24 posted on 05/07/2008 10:31:06 AM PDT by woollyone (entropy extirpates evolution and conservation confirms the Creator blessed forever.)
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To: calex59

Are you a RuPaul supporter? Your constitutional doom and gloom is a little over the top.

Easy, take the asset seizure at the local level out of the equation. You cannot stop enforcing drug laws or legalize it. If that is your logic then we need to allow fissile material in every home. Evidently you have never been affected through crime, theft or DWI offenses by someone who is using.


25 posted on 05/07/2008 10:31:43 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: henkster

statement of the Day:
Every governmental bureaucracy exists to consume and consumes to exist, solving nothing and it will often abuse the individual in an exercise of the power of the state.


26 posted on 05/07/2008 10:46:17 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Arkansas huh? Did he have some dirt on the Clintons?

On second thought, he couldn’t have, otherwise he would be dead.


27 posted on 05/07/2008 10:54:45 AM PDT by Bon mots
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To: Resolute Conservative
One, I am not a Ron Paul supporter, I am a advocate of the constitution of the USA. Drugs should be legalized, asset confiscation should be outlawed, it is unconstitutional and should have been ruled so by the Supreme Court. If you wish to continue to live in a dream world that is your business, but it becomes mine when it impacts the way I live and allows jack booted thugs to raid my home simply because some a**hat phoned the cops or some desk jockey got the address wrong.

We do not need swat teams in the USA, we do not need the war on drugs. We do need honest politicians(I know and oxymoron)in place so they will not take bribes. Fool yourself all you want but you will not fool me. Idiots and fools are the only ones who think the war on drugs is actually doing any good and not causing unrepairable harm to the USA.

28 posted on 05/07/2008 11:00:51 AM PDT by calex59
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To: calex59

You are the one that lives in a dream world. The WOD is being fought wrong but it is a necessary war. I love you citizens that think everything should be legal damn the consequences. They call that anarchy.

So you like asbestos, mercury in your water, unlimited illicit drugs for those that want them, pornography in schools and libraries, radioactive material in every garage... am I missing anything?


29 posted on 05/07/2008 11:07:45 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: calex59
Anyone who thinks the war on drugs is a good idea is an idiot and certainly not a conservative.

yup. There is also a huge contingent of "drug war" supporters right here on FreeRepublic.

The war on drugs is the main tool used to subvert the constitution, though the 'war on terror' is trying hard to catch up.

They can start talking to me about a "war on terror" after they close the border.

30 posted on 05/07/2008 11:29:35 AM PDT by zeugma (Mark Steyn For Global Dictator!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The worst I ever heard was a California case a few years ago. A 72 year old ranch owner was killed in a mistaken drug raid—bad info and no drugs—but the kicker was the emails and memos of the “legal authorities” prior to the raid.

They had the smell of big dollars in their noses via confiscation of the man’s ranch. All their their proceedings and plans were predicated on the confiscation of the property.


31 posted on 05/07/2008 12:10:34 PM PDT by wildbill
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To: wildbill
I remember that one.

I presume the drug agents were not prosecuted and received medals and raises.

32 posted on 05/07/2008 12:18:33 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: MissEdie

You need glasses! The man can’t AFFORD representation! Is everyone on this site completely out of touch with that concept? Some people ain’t rich! Why, when something like this happens, doesn’t the old America raise it’s long-lost head? You know, the America with the Lone Ranger, or Lash Larue riding over the hill to help the little guy - pro bono? Why do we have no Lawyers who can abandon the mirror long enough to roll up their sleeves and kick some crooked court-house ass? This country will soon totally reach it’s end; probably overdue.


33 posted on 05/07/2008 12:33:38 PM PDT by catchem
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34 posted on 05/07/2008 1:39:45 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: RachelFaith
Never met one who didn’t have an ego bigger than Clinton.

Most cops over the age of 35 are fine. It's this younger breed who suffer from major SDS.

35 posted on 05/07/2008 1:56:30 PM PDT by jmc813 (Eek!)
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To: henkster

And who was in control of our government at the time of Prohibition, as well as in the 1930s when the end of Prohibition brought the roots of the WOD?

Progressives.

Some “progress”.


36 posted on 05/07/2008 2:07:09 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (<===Non-bitter, Gun-totin', Typical White American)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Sometimes Rambo is the answer.


37 posted on 05/07/2008 2:51:51 PM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin 1936. Olympics for murdering regimes. Beijing 2008.)
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To: Resolute Conservative
It seems the first poster was right when he indirectly called you an idiot.

But I won't be so indirect as your posts leave no room for doubt.

If that is your logic then we need to allow fissile material in every home.

Flippin' idiot.

38 posted on 05/07/2008 4:09:49 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (I'm a RINO cuz I'm too conservative to be a Republican. McCain is the Conservatives true litmus test)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Well, the article is dramatized but I’ll say this. There is little or no due process now for jackbooted thugs to conduct a raid based on circumstantial evidence. I’ll tell you my quick story:

My wife own’s a little red sports car. She is a licensed phlebotomist (draws blood at hospitals and such). She dropped a friend off in a drug neighborhood about a mile away. This friend wanted to partake as a user but my wife had nothing to do with anything but give her a ride because this friend was drunk. My wife’s license plate is ‘envein’. To stand for phlebotomy. After dropping the friend off, she pulled into the driveway. I saw a TON of blue lights pull into my driveway and I thought a neighbor had an emergency. DEA & SWAT plus a half dozen cruisers were in my driveway, on my lawn! There was three DEA’s with body army with rifles drawn behind my wife’s car. She saw all the blues, but did not see the shotguns drawn behind her. I was in my bath robe and I said, “I am unnarmed, please let me say something to my wife”. The police said “go ahead”. I told her to put her hands on the steering wheel and make no sudden moves.

I knew if my wife saw the drawn weapons she would freak and probably been shot. The police lowered there weapons. They asked me to stand back in my doorway. Then they asked her if they could search the vehicle. My wife said no problem. They of course found nothing but it illustrates the point of overreaction and lack of due process before they draw the weapons.


39 posted on 05/07/2008 6:10:29 PM PDT by quant5
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To: Resolute Conservative

I would not call Calex views anarchist. Calex seems to be a Libertarian. Simple as that. I don’t know if a Libertarian government is better then a Republic.

What did we have after the Revolution? Libertarian government until the system grew more organized.

I don’t seem to see reports of mass chaos when morphine was legal, it seemed people killed themselves by being addicted. The Chinese smoked opium for decades, the Romans drank it with wine. But they did not shoot other people to get it because they were addicted as they do now.

So it’s a mixed argument and one that would not be resolved unless we became Libertarian again for a time. The ananology about nukes and radiation doesn’t really belong as such things are not easily obtainable. How about cigaretts by the way? They kill more people then all illegal drugs combined and it is legal and widely available. Suppose those, we made nicotine illegal. I would wager people would shoot someone else to get it but it’s just a hunch based on the prohibition days/20’s gangster behavior.


40 posted on 05/07/2008 6:21:52 PM PDT by quant5
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