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Senate backs 'urban legend'
The Press-Register ^ | May 6, 2008 | Brian Lyman

Posted on 05/07/2008 5:44:43 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

MONTGOMERY The state Senate may have been locked down for most of the year, but it did find time to endorse a widely discredited urban legend spread by the John Birch Society.

The upper chamber passed a joint resolution April 10 sponsored by state Sen. Rusty Glover, R-Semmes, claiming that Canada, Mexico and the United States are moving toward a "North American Union" and working on construction of a "NAFTA Superhighway" to link the countries and report edly destroy their sovereignty.

"It's about retaining independence," said John McManus, the president of the John Birch Society, in a phone interview Mon day. "If we merge with Canada and Mexico, we are no longer an independent nation."

The John Birch Society is a far-right-wing organization established in 1958 as a hardline anti-communist group. Its founder, Robert Welch, once called President Dwight Eisenhower "a dedicated agent of the Communist conspiracy." The group has often warned of alleged threats to U.S. liberty and sovereignty, and has historically opposed the United Nations as a sign of a world government.

In the case of the purported North American Union, the society has circulated model resolutions for introduction in state legislatures and assemblies. Glover's resolution incorporates one paragraph from the John Birch Society resolution verbatim.

Experts from the White House to snopes.com, a popular urban legend Web site, say no such union is in the offing. The 2005 Security and Prosperity Partnership, often cited by conspiracists as proof of the plans afoot, is an agreement between the three countries to cooperate on issues of common concern, from energy security to health-related issues.

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To: wideawake
The conservative movement will never get back on track if the conspiracy-mongering lunatic fringe captures the party the way it did in 1964.

Check out the EU history. It was a long slog to where they are today. A North American union is in the cards but will take decades. GW Bush open borders with Mexico is just the first stage. Clinton pushes NAFTA was baby steps. We now run a 40 billion dollar trade deficit with Mexico. Before NAFTA we ran a surplus

You want a North American Union?---
Allow in millions upon millions of Mexicans and anchor babies to invade.
The Mexican American hacks who are at the top in bankrupt California are in Mexico for a few days of meetings with the top Mexican government officials

Not to mention all the Central American invaders (plus anchor babies) we have allowed to stay here

21 posted on 05/07/2008 6:15:31 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
Do you really doubt that there is an effort under way to increase trade and travel between Mexico, the US, and Canada, in part to offset the economic damage done to us by the EU?

The whole point of economic freedom is to encourage commerce in goods and services.

While there may not be a bunch of top-hatted executives and politicians in smoky back rooms planning a new nation of the three, open borders are tantamount to an EU.

(1) Our border with Canada is now tighter than it has been in generations.

(2) Our border with Mexico has been effectively unenforced for 20 years.

Allowing Mexican truckers into the US without having to abide by US rules and regulations is one step in that direction.

Except that isn't happening.

Amnesty is another.

That hasn't happened either. And we already had an amnesty, yet we are not governed by a council in Brussels.

Loosening of “guest worker” regulations is another.

EU residents aren't guest workers in any EU country they are in.

This isn't a conspiracy theory. It isn't even a theory. This is happening.

Except, of course, that it isn't.

22 posted on 05/07/2008 6:16:18 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Well, the John Birchers also believe that we breathe air and eat food. Does their belief discredit that notion that we all have physical needs?

This story is slander by spurious association. False lights.

23 posted on 05/07/2008 6:17:23 AM PDT by bvw
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I’m going to have to go with Jerome Corsi on this one. The NAU is not fiction but fact.


24 posted on 05/07/2008 6:18:17 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: dennisw
OK, dennisw, I get it. You don't like brown people but you do like mercantilism.
25 posted on 05/07/2008 6:19:37 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: dennisw
We now run a 40 billion dollar trade deficit with Mexico

Honest question. Mexico is our #2 supplier of oil. How much of that $40 billion is directly attributable to the importation of Mexican oil?

26 posted on 05/07/2008 6:19:49 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: wideawake

We saw that fringe on display at the OK State Convention.

There are members of OK Women’s Groups that have gone to picket the NAFTA Superhighway when Texas is talking about the Trans Corridor. What Texas does with their highway system has no bearing on Oklahomans except if you are in Austin and want to get to Houston, a new highway would be my recommendation.

Conspiracy theories abound in OK by the fringe of the religious right who have thrown in with the Ron Paul types. They don’t mind breaking Rules if it suits their agenda. What other State had a Vice Chair of their State recruiting delegates that would vote against the nominee on the first ballot if certain nominees were selected even though we are a winner take all state? You should have seen the crap that is our Platform passed with no chance for comment or some of the handouts. These fringe people make the rest of us look bad if we let them.


27 posted on 05/07/2008 6:20:22 AM PDT by PhiKapMom ( Broken Glass Republican -- http://democratsforsale.blogspot.com/ -- JUST SAY NO to OBAMA)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/PhyllisSchlafly/2008/04/14/north_american_union_conspiracy_or_cover-up


28 posted on 05/07/2008 6:24:02 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Truthism Watch)
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To: 1rudeboy

Is this the story to which you refer? I experienced this personally, so it’s NOT just another anecdote.

I was on jury duty the week of 12/11/06 and one of my fellow jurors told me that her nephew was killed a year earlier by two illegals DRIVING their truck with FAULTY BRAKES to the BRAKE SHOP to be repaired when – surprise, surprise — the BRAKES FAILED AND THEY KILLED HER NEPHEW. I guess these MORONS thought they were back in Mexico where – in addition to driving DRUNK — they and their idiot friends do crap like that all the time. Can you say “Tijuana Taxi?” Can you say “TOW TRUCK?”

The driver got 4 years in prison and will be deported when he gets out.

Gotta wonder how long it will take him to sneak back in and kill someone else?
Estimates indicate they are killing around 25 American citizens each day, either with vehicles or via other criminal activity.

I can’t wait until the interstates start filling up with Mexican truckers on tight deadlines – and I do mean DEADlines – hurtling at carloads of unsuspecting native-born American citizens – all 387 of us.

Do you suppose this crap might stop if one of Bush’s daughters became a victim?

Of course, unlike the rest of us, they are driven to their endless round of parties by an armed SS detail, which eliminates the risk that they will be tempted to drive drunk themselves or be mugged or raped.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_zCpQZ-H94


29 posted on 05/07/2008 6:25:18 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (INCENT)
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To: Phantom Lord
Our 2007 trade deficit with Mexico was $74 billion. Oil and oil product imports were about $34 billion.
30 posted on 05/07/2008 6:27:56 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are doom and gloomers, union members and liberals so bad at math?)
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To: Dick Bachert
Yes, it is an anecdote and frankly irrelevant, unless you are suggesting that a Mexican trucking company (or an American-owned Mexican firm) is willing to jump through all the hoops to get USDOT certification, and is willing to throw it all away by operating a "Tijuana Taxi."

The "illegal alien" driver should be a tip-off.

31 posted on 05/07/2008 6:29:23 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: dennisw
And now we must add the ELITES – and elite wannabes -- in the Senate de Estados Unitos to the list of those who have sold out our formerly sacred birthright.

As early as 12 years ago, when he was my representative, I was a regular at Newt’s Town Hall Meetings where I spoke in support of the FairTax. 70% or more of the others who took the mike were visibly ANGRY ABOUT THE FAILURE TO STOP THE GROWING FLOW OF ILLEGALS! (While he DID and probably still DOES support the illegal invasion, at several sessions – clearly pandering to the crowd -- Newt suggested the 100,000 IRS agents be given weapons and sent down to the border with Mexico.) That certainly works for me.

Under Bush, that flow became a TORRENT!

He CLEARLY doesn’t care WHAT we think!

DO TRY TO GET THAT MEMORY OVER THE TRADITIONAL 20 NANOSECOND LEVEL AND HOLD THE THOUGHT THROUGH NOVEMBER ’08!

In ABSTRACT terms, this is the conspiratorial view of what’s going on vis-à-vis the INVASION of the illegals here:

The current alien invasion from the south serves BOTH the elites who run Mexico – and many of the OTHER states of Central and South America -- and the political ruling class who increasingly run the United States:

· It takes pressure off the 60 or so families who control approximately 80% of the wealth in Mexico. Without the northern “safety valve” (the United States) for their poor, those poor MIGHT be inclined to do what America’s early colonists found it necessary to do: Revolt! Parenthetically, that would be MY suggestion for them: Instead of fleeing here – and converting “here” to a larger, more poverty infested version of “there,” they ought to stay there and make “there” into their version of “here,” whatever that would be. Revolutions ARE messy and there are no guarantees that they will produce the desired result. But – according to one T. Jefferson – they are often necessary. Never forget that THIS country was born in revolution!

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson ·

· For the NAFTA/CAFTA coveting US national ruling class – especially those who, in varying degrees, quest after some sort of One-World utopia run by guess who? – it provides yet another level of insecurity and tension among the indigenous populace which can be used to justify new and more draconian limits to freedom here. Instead of securing the borders, allow millions of illegals to come in and when the natives become alarmed, require a national ID card. “Your papers, please!” will soon become a phrase familiar to all. It’s Mr. Franklin’s trade of freedom for (false) security. It’s also the time-tested Hegelian Dialectic the One-Worlders have successfully worked like a rented mule.

While they occasionally squabble among themselves, the elites of history have ALL had one thing in common: They will do ANYTHING to remain in charge. And throughout that history, except for the 230 year-old experiment in freedom called “America,” most of the men who have walked the earth have lived as slaves to these elites whether they call themselves kings, emperors, potentates, sultans, czars – or presidents.

Get ready, folks. Unless some SERIOUS changes are made and the handful of Americans who CARE about liberty get involved, that history will almost certainly repeat here.

Now for the SPECIFICS of the matter:

My take on Bush's role in all of this is:

1. His long and apparently positive experience with the large hispanic population in Texas is largely responsible for his inaction on this alien invasion. And why wouldn't HIS experience with them be positive as he traveled in the highest, best-educated circles among them, not the Hispanic gangbangers and pine-straw spreaders...

2. Boy Jorge Bush was cared for by a Hispanic nanny for many years while his daddy was running Zapata Oil (into the ground).

3. His brother Jeb is married to a native of Mexico (the daughter of a migrant worker) and his nieces and nephews are mixed blood. And before you scream "ethnocentric bigot" at me, there's nothing inherently wrong with that. But that fact -- and items 1 and 2 – DO predispose him to a warm and fuzzy feeling for folks from south of the Rio Grande.

And if -- in some strange and metastasizing American desire for a new royal family dynasty -- Jeb or his son should win the White House in some future presidential beauty contest designed to divert the American electorate every four years, I'd bet that HIS activities toward this alien invasion will make W's behavior look like a warm-up exercise.

Any vestige of Western European culture -- the culture MY great-grandparents and probably yours brought here after standing in line at places like Ellis Island, being interrogated, deloused and recorded -- will be a distant memory – IF it’s remembered at all.

32 posted on 05/07/2008 6:29:47 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (INCENT)
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To: wideawake

You don’t like white people-— see how easy that was?


33 posted on 05/07/2008 6:30:21 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Thanks.


34 posted on 05/07/2008 6:32:17 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: 1rudeboy

Please turn on your sarcasm detector.


35 posted on 05/07/2008 6:32:41 AM PDT by RDasher
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To: 1rudeboy

I sincerely hope one of YOUR loved ones is not some day among the 25 or so being killed each day by illegals/illegal activities.

Here’s ANOTHER story for you.

My wife and I recently watched “Waitress,” a clever and sweet little film written and directed by Adrienne Shelly. Shelly was A VERY talented lady who also played a supporting role.

She was senselessly MURDERED in her NY apartment on November 1, 2006. Her body was found hanging by a sheet from a shower rod – by her husband. She was 40 and left behind a 3 year-old daughter who will never know her real mother.

A 19 YEAR OLD ECUADORIAN — AN ILLEGAL WHO SHOULD NEVER HAVE EVEN BEEN IN THE COUNTRY IN THE FIRST PLACE (THANK YOU CLINTON AND BUSH) — CONFESSED TO HER MURDER.

They are killing 25 of us every day.

IT WILL STOP WHEN THE MORONS IN WASHINGTON GET AS SERIOUS ABOUT THE ILLEGAL INVASION AS THEY ARE ABOUT HARASSING NATIVE BORN CITIZENS AT THE AIRPORTS.

(AND, YES, I INTENDED TO SHOUT BECAUSE I’M MAD AS HELL AND NOT GONNA TAKE ANY MORE THIS CRAP!)

How about you???

Do you suppose this madness might have ended years ago if one of Bush’s daughters had been a victim of one of the millions of illegals he’s allowed in here to kill the rest of us?

Of course, any illegal attempting to do so would most likely be taken out by her SS detail.

I’ve been a regular at local congressional town hall meetings for a few dozen years and noted that starting around 10 years ago, the majority of those there were angry that nothing was being done about the illegal invasion.

Why are we still waiting for the clowns in Malfunction Junction – who can produce convoluted legislative proposals to line their pockets or deliver pork back home and ram it through in the dark of night – to secure our national borders?

Perhaps YOU should get on over to those pre-election public meetings and raise some serious hell – before YOU die at the hands of someone who ought not even BE HERE!

We have enough indigenous criminals. WE SURE AS HELL DON’T NEED TO IMPORT MORE.


36 posted on 05/07/2008 6:34:17 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (INCENT)
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To: Phantom Lord

Honest question. Mexico is our #2 supplier of oil. How much of that $40 billion is directly attributable to the importation of Mexican oil?
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You have a point there. Probably lots of it is an oil trade deficit.

Mexico is so screwed up their oil output is declining because they do very lousy exploration and will not allow any American company to explore there. PEMEX is Mexico’s government run oil monopoly


37 posted on 05/07/2008 6:36:44 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: Toddsterpatriot

I know that formal FR econ-thread rules prohibit us from talking about services (because they don’t create wealth or some such nonsense) when taking about the trade deficit, but we should still distinguish between goods and services, lest people think we have a deficit there as well. :)


38 posted on 05/07/2008 6:37:07 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Dick Bachert

I’m not for the importation of criminals, either. Nor am I particularly susceptible to appeals to emotions. That would make me a lib.


39 posted on 05/07/2008 6:39:16 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Dick Bachert

All true!! Of course!


40 posted on 05/07/2008 6:40:10 AM PDT by dennisw
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