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Darwin, Hitler, and the Culture of Death
LifeSiteNews ^ | 5/6/08 | Michael Baggot

Posted on 05/06/2008 3:49:16 PM PDT by wagglebee

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To: wagglebee
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61 posted on 05/07/2008 4:00:07 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Ken H
If you are going to connect the TOE to Hitler's crimes, then would you not also have to connect Christianity to his crimes?

Sure, the connection goes right thru the Devil, who will use any means necessary. Hijacking Christianity is surely on the agenda.

62 posted on 05/07/2008 5:19:18 AM PDT by AdSimp
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To: GourmetDan
I know that Stein tried to popularize his point, but I expect that most of the movie went over the heads of most of the audience.

I think its safe to say that 'Blazing Saddles' would be over the heads of the types of people that went to see it.

63 posted on 05/07/2008 6:31:17 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (Creationists on the internet: The Ignorant, amplifying the Stupid.)
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To: GourmetDan
are responsible for life

careless wording?

They won't address the origin of life issue.

64 posted on 05/07/2008 6:33:30 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: ex-snook

With the exclusion of a Creator, there is no objective reason for right and wrong, and if totally uncreated natural selection resulted in what we are today, an advanced species, and more to the point, the most advanced “race”, then there’s no reason not to “help” evolution along by selective breeding and, more to the point, selective “non-breeding” (extermination).

Vs

We’re all created in God’s image, and persecution, oppression, or murder of another human is doing the same to God in effigy.


65 posted on 05/07/2008 6:38:55 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Soliton
Go into a house, and find evidence, within the framework of the house, that it had an architect.

The Grand Architect "lives" outside the "house".

Some atheist idiot yesterday asked for scientific proof of God.
Ridiculous.

66 posted on 05/07/2008 6:43:46 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Dog Gone

You keep stating, repeatedly, as if it proves some point, that the movie is a “dud” and a boxoffice flop.

When compared to “Ironman”, perhaps.

But compared to other documentaries, it has done quite well.

What’s your point, anyway?

Some sort of “proof by non-consensus”?


67 posted on 05/07/2008 6:46:06 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: AdSimp

You’re right about the point of the movie.

And, the problem that most folks have with the atheoevos is that they are teaching their anti-theology in schools, undermining the values of our culture.

And, they’re doing it with the protection of the government, and other bullying tactics.

I homeschool, so I won’t have to fight the indoctrination. And yes, I’m going to teach them about “change over time” and that the Creator set the microtuned rules in place that made such “change over time” result in His creation, a being in His own image, whom He granted consciousness, a common moral code, and a yearning for fellowship with Him.


68 posted on 05/07/2008 6:50:55 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: MrB

“And yes, I’m going to teach them about “change over time” and that the Creator set the microtuned rules in place that made such “change over time” result in His creation”

So is that like guided theistic evolution?


69 posted on 05/07/2008 6:57:00 AM PDT by hepatoma
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To: hepatoma

I believe the term is “Theistic Evolution”.

I’m more into the cosmological evidence for the Creator, and the DNA/Genome is a similar observation.

The rules are far too precise, and have to be in order to result in life in the universe, for it to be anything other than a Creation.

multiverse my a$$.


70 posted on 05/07/2008 7:10:56 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: count-your-change
You have some examples of this? It would be passing strange since according to the book, “Landmarks in the Life of Stalin”, young Stalin thought highly of Darwin.

Things change. The communist government championed a horticulturist named Lysenko, who embraced a form of Lamarckianism. Before Darwin Lamarck supposed that creatures changed by the inheritance of acquired traits. If you spend a lot of time running and develop strong leg muscles and lungs, then Lamarck thought that your baby would inherit these traits developed during your lifetime. This idea was in direct opposition to Darwin's theory of evolution, which said that populations contain a lot of variation and this variation is passed on to the offspring without modification. The change over time comes from natural selection filtering the variants, resulting in higher reproductive success for some variants than others.

Of course in Darwin's time the details of inheritance were not known. Mendel published his work on inheritance then, but it was not well known until after his death. When Mendel's work was rediscovered geneticists realized that inherited traits were passed on in genes (although at the time they still didn't know what genes were!) Geneticists started working with plants, breeding them and studying their chromosomes.

It's hard to say why the communist government found Lysenko's ideas so appealing, perhaps because he was their representative of the "common man" who had arisen and thrown over the ideas of bourgeois foreigners. At any rate Mendelian genetics went far far out of favor, and geneticists who didn't abandon their evolutionary ideas and embrace Lysenkoism were imprisoned and even killed.

71 posted on 05/07/2008 7:13:16 AM PDT by ahayes ("Impenetrability! That's what I say!")
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To: MrB

I, too, believe in TE.

But Christians think I’m a G-dless heathen, and people in the science field think I’m delusional.

It’s a lose-lose situation.


72 posted on 05/07/2008 7:15:28 AM PDT by hepatoma
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To: hepatoma
It’s a lose-lose situation.

Depends on Who you think you're accountable to...:)

73 posted on 05/07/2008 7:19:48 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: DoctorMichael
"I think its safe to say that 'Blazing Saddles' would be over the heads of the types of people that went to see it."

Yeah, they sure are stupid, ain't they? LOL!

Kinda like the people they talked to in the movie. PhD's in immunology and biology and stupid stuff like that. Where'd they get that piece of paper anyway? Wal-Mart? What a bunch of maroons! Yuk-yuk!

Not like really smart guys like you and me, huh?

/sarc

74 posted on 05/07/2008 7:42:32 AM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: GourmetDan
Not like really smart guys like you and me, huh?

What 'we'?

75 posted on 05/07/2008 8:11:55 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (Creationists on the internet: The Ignorant, amplifying the Stupid.)
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To: wagglebee

You noticed that too?


76 posted on 05/07/2008 8:21:46 AM PDT by ukie55
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To: DoctorMichael
"What 'we'?"

Exactly.

You're the only smart guy, not me. No, no, no.

mea culpa

77 posted on 05/07/2008 8:24:48 AM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: MrB
The results have to be a great disappointment to the makers of 'Expelled'. From the LA Times:

'Expelled' could exceed box-office forecasts

April 18, 2008

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The "'Expelled' Challenge" urges schools and home-schooling groups to get students, parents and faculty to show up in force, promising donations of $5 to $10 per ticket stub for those who register.

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Ruloff [Walt Ruloff, the movie's executive producer] said the film could top the $23.9-million opening for Michael Moore's polemic against President Bush, "Fahrenheit 9/11," the best launch ever for a documentary.

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-projector18apr18,1,4982009.story

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According to boxofficemojo.com, the film took in $66,912 on May 5 at 656 theaters (down from 1052), which works out to $102/theater. Gross receipt through May 5 is $6,680,168.

78 posted on 05/07/2008 8:28:08 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: Soliton
please explain why Hitler never mentioned Darwin, but often attributed his policies to “the creator”.

From Chapter 11 of "Mein Kampf":

"Every crossing between two breeds which are not quite equal results in a product which holds an intermediate place between the levels of the two parents. This means that the offspring will indeed be superior to the parent which stands in the biologically lower order of being, but not so high as the higher parent. For this reason it must eventually succumb in any struggle against the higher species. Such mating contradicts the will of Nature towards the selective improvements of life in general. The favourable preliminary to this improvement is not to mate individuals of higher and lower orders of being but rather to allow the complete triumph of the higher order. The stronger must dominate and not mate with the weaker, which would signify the sacrifice of its own higher nature. Only the born weakling can look upon this principle as cruel, and if he does so it is merely because he is of a feebler nature and narrower mind; for if such a law did not direct the process of evolution then the higher development of organic life would not be conceivable at all."

79 posted on 05/07/2008 8:57:31 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Soliton
Ben Stein has done more to set back science than Al Gore.

I doubt real science will be the least bit affected by Stein, but he has succeeded in setting back our party.

Even Rush is praising the movie, so Stein has been successful in making ID some kind of conservative rallying cry, which is really, really bad news.

Now on top of all the other epithets that liberals and the mainstream media use to label the GOP, we'll now be the party of creationism and a 6,000 year old Earth.

80 posted on 05/07/2008 9:11:02 AM PDT by GunRunner
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