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Some people quoted in the article say the problem is "mass incarceration" and people become violent criminals in prison. Maybe the problem is letting out some people who should be kept in jail, or executed if they committed murder.

The New York Times recently had a long story on the same problem: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/04/magazine/04health-t.html

1 posted on 05/06/2008 11:04:45 AM PDT by reaganaut1
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This is part of the price we're paying for 20 years of mass incarceration

The death penalty would take care of part of the problem.

2 posted on 05/06/2008 11:09:38 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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Sooooooooo. hows that total gun ban working out again?


3 posted on 05/06/2008 11:11:05 AM PDT by bill1952 (I will vote for McCain if he resigns his Senate seat before this election.)
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nightspot in an upscale part of the nation's capital when he was shot in the back five times. --- He was one of 14 people, all African-Americans, to die in a 13-day spasm of violence.

Good thing they have gun control...............

4 posted on 05/06/2008 11:11:28 AM PDT by cowboyway ("The beauty of the Second Amendment is you won't need it until they try to take it away")
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"He was one of 14 people, all African-Americans, to die in a 13-day spasm of violence

killed by who ?
5 posted on 05/06/2008 11:13:40 AM PDT by stylin19a
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These cities are hollowed-out hulks that incentivize criminals more than they incentivize law-abiding citizens.

High taxes, few jobs, laws against self-defense, etc.

Philadelphia, Washington DC and Chicago have respectively lost 30, 25 and 20 percent of their populations since their peak. These cities were once highly desirable places to live - now only certain neighborhoods are.

7 posted on 05/06/2008 11:20:02 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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These are all Republican-run cities?

I knew it was all George Bush's fault!

8 posted on 05/06/2008 11:22:57 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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I have two problems with this. First is Kennedy's assertion that nearly 700,000 convicts a year return home, some may be bringing prison culture with them. These people did not become thugs in prison. They were sent to prison because they were thugs.

This is also wrong: "The homicides occur in neighborhoods where folks don't finish high school," Mr. Owens (O'Dell Owens, Hamilton County, Ohio medical examiner) said. "If you can't make the transition from learning to read to reading to learn, you're done." This is a false cause and effect relationship. He's saying that people will not want to be thugs if they learn. But that implies that the action causes the volition. That's untrue. They wanted to be thugs and they learned how to be thugs. If they have no use for school, all the school in the world will only anger them. Volition causes action. Maybe the thugs don't want to educate themselves because they are thugs.

9 posted on 05/06/2008 11:23:38 AM PDT by sig226 (Real power is not the ability to destroy an enemy. It is the willingness to do it.)
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I’d love it if they would say where that young man’s altercation happened. As a DCite, I’d be able to discern the level of BS. Guess that’s too much to ask.


10 posted on 05/06/2008 11:23:45 AM PDT by jack_napier (Bob? Gun.)
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It's a Black thang...I know I wouldn't understand.
11 posted on 05/06/2008 11:26:45 AM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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celebrating his appointment at a nightspot in an upscale part of the nation's capital

Upscale? I'd be curious to know the address.

12 posted on 05/06/2008 11:29:37 AM PDT by Poison Pill
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“Maybe the problem is letting out some people who should be kept in jail...”

Exactly. The libs periodically get up on their high horse and rant about how we’ve got too many people in jail. They open the doors and let a lot of them out. Then this happens, and they scratch their heads trying to figure out why.

Another cause is all the illegal immigrants.


13 posted on 05/06/2008 11:30:06 AM PDT by Brilliant
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"This is part of the price we're paying for 20 years of mass incarceration,"

I knew they should have gone with the "impaling" plan.

15 posted on 05/06/2008 11:33:48 AM PDT by The Duke (I have met the enemy, and he is named 'Apathy'!)
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"This is part of the price we're paying for 20 years of mass incarceration,"

So we shouldn't put murderers and other violent criminals in prison because they may come out worse than when they went in? How about executing them instead of keeping them locked up for a few years at taxpayer expense and then turning them loose so they can kill again? Dead criminals don't commit any more crimes after they assume room temperature.

16 posted on 05/06/2008 11:35:03 AM PDT by epow ("A political career brings out the basest qualities in human nature," Lord Bryce)
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" There are the usual reasons -- the economy, poverty, gangs and crews, and the availability of firearms, but there is one that has been little explored: the migration of the prison culture back to the streets George Bush.
19 posted on 05/06/2008 11:47:45 AM PDT by libs_kma (The land of the free, because of the brave)
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BTTT

See also: PROVOCATIVE THOUGHT EXPERIMENT ON GUNS (What would Rev Wright say?)

20 posted on 05/06/2008 11:51:42 AM PDT by EdReform (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed *NRA*JPFO*SAF*GOA*SAS*RWVA)
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We should move all the prisons to North Dakota.


21 posted on 05/06/2008 11:55:24 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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I’m always amazed at articles about a crime that start out something like, “the alleged shooter was out on parole for armed robbery, for which he has been incarcerated several times”.

How did we ever come to this place?

Also, they got through a whole article about prison culture rising for the past twenty years without mentioning gansta rap, didn’t they?


22 posted on 05/06/2008 11:59:39 AM PDT by I still care ("Remember... for it is the doom of men that they forget" - Merlin, from Excalibur)
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There are the usual reasons -- the economy, poverty, gangs and crews, and the availability of firearms...

Who writes this crap? Try this on for size, nitwit:

The utter destruction of the black family by the Welfare State. A culture of entitlement fed by liberal appeals to race-hatred and class envy. The degeneration of urban public schools from oases of learning to havens for lazy, unionized bureaucrats. The celebration of violence, sexual promiscuity and and trash-as-art by the left-wing entertainment industry.

Any of that ring a bell, Mr. "Gee-We-Can't-Seem-to-Figure-Out-The-Root Causes"?

More proof that Everything Liberals Know Is Wrong.

24 posted on 05/06/2008 12:10:09 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh (Politicians cannot buy votes that are not for sale.)
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Maybe he voted for Hillary and the other guy took offense at him dissing B. Hussein and his wife A. Hussey.


27 posted on 05/06/2008 12:27:33 PM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel
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Just getting in the licks before the SC rules that law abiding citizens can carry.


31 posted on 05/06/2008 1:06:27 PM PDT by CPOSharky (Vote demoncrat: Kiss goodby to your money, privacy, freedom, and guns.)
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