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China's next-generation nationalists - They're educated, richer and more aggressive toward the West
LA Times ^ | May 6th, 2008 | Joshua Kurlantzick

Posted on 05/06/2008 9:49:17 AM PDT by The_Republican

As human rights protesters dogged the Beijing Olympics' torch relay around the world, as supporters of Tibet condemned the violent crackdown in Lhasa, and as Darfur activists demanded change in China's Sudan policy, Chinese young people worked themselves into a different form of righteous anger. In online forums and chat rooms, they blasted Beijing's leaders for not being tougher in Tibet. They agitated for boycotts against Western businesses based in nations that object to Beijing's policies, and they directed venomous fury against anyone critical of China.

The anger has even spread to American college campuses. In April, Chinese students at USC blasted a visiting Tibetan monk with angry questions about Tibet's alleged history of slavery and other controversial topics. When the monk tried to respond, the students chanted, "Stop lying! Stop lying!"

At the University of Washington, hundreds protested outside during a speech by the Dalai Lama, chanting, "Dalai, your smiles charm, your actions harm." When one Chinese student at Duke University tried to mediate between pro-China and pro-Tibet protesters, her photo, labeled "traitor," was posted on the Internet, and her contact information and her parents' address in China were listed for all to see.

The explosion of nationalist sentiment, especially among young people, might seem shocking, but it's been simmering for a long time. In fact, Beijing's leadership, for all its problems, may be less hard-line than China's youth, the country's future. If China ever were to become a truly free political system, it might actually become more, not less, aggressive.

China's youth nationalism tends to explode over sparks like the Tibet unrest. It burst into violent anti-American protests after NATO's accidental bombing of China's embassy in Belgrade, Yugoslavia, in 1999. (Most young Chinese I've met don't believe that the bombing was an accident.)

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: chinesenationalism; chinesenextgen
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Din't expect that kind of talk in LA Times.
1 posted on 05/06/2008 9:49:18 AM PDT by The_Republican
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To: The_Republican

Hopefully one result of increased oil prices will be increased costs in shipping goods from China, resulting in producing goods here!

We need a “Buy American” campaign more than ever.


2 posted on 05/06/2008 9:52:59 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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To: The_Republican

China will bury the U.S.


3 posted on 05/06/2008 9:56:22 AM PDT by glide625
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To: The_Republican
What liberals are shocked to see that when you engage in open debate with others that they actually have the temerity to disagree with them?

Who is blindsided by the fact that the self imposed myopia of liberal trash who are educated in the laughable American educational system cannot and do nor see what is going to happen in the real world as a consequence of their actions?

Liberal theology that masquerades as nuanced “thought” is going to destroy half of the world.

Our half. - Don't believe me?

america?


4 posted on 05/06/2008 10:01:00 AM PDT by bill1952 (I will vote for McCain if he resigns his Senate seat before this election.)
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To: The_Republican

And given the ratio of men to women, due to mandated one-child policy, most are likely to be sexually frustrated, which means they’re more likely to be militant.


5 posted on 05/06/2008 10:02:25 AM PDT by Hoffer Rand (0bambi: the audacity of hype)
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To: glide625

what in lead crap toys?


6 posted on 05/06/2008 10:04:31 AM PDT by steel_resolve (Operation Chaos is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.)
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To: The_Republican
They've come a long way from Tianamen Square - in the wrong direcction.

Carolyn

7 posted on 05/06/2008 10:05:16 AM PDT by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
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To: All

Without a grounding and upbringing in the concept of Democracy how can a student or young wealthy new Chinese male understand the American way?

Democracy isn’t something you learn in universities - it is instilled from youth on.

They are empty young people with wallets.

And YES it is frightening.


8 posted on 05/06/2008 10:05:19 AM PDT by imintrouble
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To: Red in Blue PA
Hopefully one result of increased oil prices will be increased costs in shipping goods from China, resulting in producing goods here!

The reductions in shipping costs would probably be more than offset by the additional labor and environmental costs that the rats want to impose. The rats have a large list of additional costs to impose including paid family leave, union mandates, mandated health care, CO2 limits, carbon taxes, carbon trading, ...

In addition, China will have a substantial energy cost advantages in 10 to 15 years with their efforts to build coal and nuke plants. Meanwhile, the rats have indicated that only their approved technologies (solar and wind) will be built. We will have energy shortages and high costs while the Chinese have low cost power. I expect a substantial increase in job losses in both the manufacturing and service sectors.

The limiting condition in China is the environment. They may reach a state in which production is limited by the unchecked environmental waste.

9 posted on 05/06/2008 10:06:47 AM PDT by businessprofessor
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To: Red in Blue PA

“We need a “Buy American” campaign more than ever.”

Good point, but I think we need an “America First” campaign.

I say to “H” with World opinion and get our own Nation on track once again. Drill for our own oil, Build our own Nuclear energy system, rebuild our own transportation infrastructure to that of the 1920’s and 1930’s with electric powered grids and rail, grow enough grain for our own consumption, drop the legislation that docks our fishing fleets so we can fish for our own Seafood. IOW become totally self sufficient and then what’s surplus we can eventually sell. The goal being “America First” and then to produce enough to share with the rest of the World if they are nice to us, and say please.

I am not advocating Isolationism. I’m saying we need “America First” no matter how we do it.


10 posted on 05/06/2008 10:09:07 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...call 'em what you will...They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: businessprofessor

I bought a closeout bike this weekend and found out that for 2009, prices are going up 20% to 30% for this brand, partially bc of shipping costs from China.

At some point it MUST make sense to produce the bikes here.


11 posted on 05/06/2008 10:12:15 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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To: CDHart

Well said.


12 posted on 05/06/2008 10:12:51 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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To: Red in Blue PA

How about solving the “China problem” by nuking Bejing before they nuke us?


13 posted on 05/06/2008 10:16:34 AM PDT by B.O. Plenty (Give war a chance......)
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To: The_Republican

“they blasted Beijing’s leaders for not being tougher in Tibet”

This smells like BS.


14 posted on 05/06/2008 10:18:34 AM PDT by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: B.O. Plenty

How about solving the “China problem” by nuking Bejing before they nuke us? ................... OK, what do we do with the rest of the 1Billion+ people, with a huge military in reserve? Oh, that’s right there is no way that any of their nukes will ever reach here, we’re invincible. Riiiight.


15 posted on 05/06/2008 10:22:45 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (Where have all our Great Leaders gone? Certainly there must be one out there?)
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To: Red in Blue PA
Thank you. It's sad, isn't it, to see this?

Carolyn

16 posted on 05/06/2008 10:23:09 AM PDT by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
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To: The_Republican

I’m afraid we lost that generation of young Chinese when Dubya did kowtow over the P-3 incident early in his Administration.


17 posted on 05/06/2008 11:07:19 AM PDT by investigateworld ( Abortion stops a beating heart.)
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To: Bringbackthedraft
There will be no way their nukes will reach here.....on the second thought maybe we will have to use 3 or 4 nukes.

What else are we to do?....ask them please not to take us over?....pretty please, maybe? I am getting weary of begging people not to hurt us..Of course, there is nothing that I can do about it other than wish.

If you go along with some here, we might as well start learing Mandrin....and wearing pajamas...as for me....

better dead than red.

18 posted on 05/06/2008 11:51:11 AM PDT by B.O. Plenty (Give war a chance......)
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To: The_Republican

There is an interesting point to be made here.

Does aggressiveness lead to aggression? Not necessarily. In fact, aggressiveness might lead to less aggression.

When something you don’t like happens, you can either aggressively take action to change things before they get out of hand, or you can passively wait until you have to act in a forceful manner. By acting sooner, because you are aggressive, many problems are “nipped in the bud” with minimal force.

Importantly, to do this, you must be efficient. This means you have to “get your own house in order”, as well.

Having to act sooner rather than later, also means that you need to be more flexible in dealing with small matters. You can’t solve every problem with a hatchet. You have to learn diplomacy and persuasion, or you just get exhausted.

So what does this say about China in the future? To start with, it means that the “aggressive youth” have to become familiar with what the little problems are. Take Tibet, for example.

The typical aggressive Chinese young person will need to know the details. Why are we (the Chinese)in Tibet? Who doesn’t want us there and why? Who is the Dalai Lama, and why is he opposed to our rule? Etc.

Being aggressive problem solvers, they will want to know what has been done to solve the problem already. What are the prospects for the future? What could go wrong? What is the best outcome?

And this necessarily requires them to start questioning the axioms of the entire situation. Do we (the Chinese) really want or need to be in Tibet? What about Mongolia and the Uighar territories?

Eventually, the big question comes up: Do we really want to fight America? And that is the beginning of the path to enlightenment.

Because their aggressive answer might be “Hell no!”


19 posted on 05/06/2008 11:53:20 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: rockinqsranch
While I hole heartily agree with you, good luck!

Too many US Citizen’s want the latest Wii gaming system or other such crap from Asia over saving and investing their money in America.

...And our government aids and abets them in doing so.

20 posted on 05/06/2008 12:17:32 PM PDT by mr_hammer (Checking the breeze and barking at things that go bump in the night.)
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