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Plan for long life, without pandemic (Should we let people older than 85 die in a pandemic?)
The Charlotte Observer ^ | Tue, May. 06, 2008 | NANCY STANCILL

Posted on 05/06/2008 7:51:17 AM PDT by Sam's Army

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To: Mr. Silverback

1) No, but you helped to further the baseless notion that it very well could be a conspiracy without any evidence that it is by linking it to liberal notions when political ideology doesn’t have much to do with this plan at all.....it’s a task force of physicians making this plan, not a specific government agency and not “booga booga” libs.

2) Anything in the past is irrelevant to the current plan. This is either a good thing or a bad thing on its own merits regardless of anything that has happened in the past.

3) As an infectious diseases expert myself (PhD Immunology of Infectious Diseases) that has worked with a State agency for emergency planning purposes (mostly bioterrorism), yes....we need national and local plans such as this in the event of massive pandemics coupled with shortages of resources.....to maximize the lives saved with a shortage of resources.

It’s good to have a plan in place that includes civilian doctors and government agencies....as the government is the ones that’re going to be dealing with supplies, quarantines, riots, etc...

Or we could just fly by the seat of our pants without planning anything.


81 posted on 05/07/2008 6:26:50 AM PDT by ElectricStrawberry (27th Infantry Regiment...cut in half during the Clinton years.)
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To: Petronski
The government wants to keep them around so they can be used as food for the ZOMBIES.

Yeah. those bureaucrats do have to eat, don't they?

82 posted on 05/07/2008 7:33:48 AM PDT by Turret Gunner A20
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To: Petronski
The government wants to keep them around so they can be used as food for the ZOMBIES.

Yeah. those bureaucrats do have to eat, don't they?

83 posted on 05/07/2008 7:34:14 AM PDT by Turret Gunner A20
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To: perez24
You know a different set of 85 year olds than I do. Most of the ones I know would shove the babies out of the line to get their shots.

I'm just a few months shy of that magical age of uselessness you all are so facinated with, and I really love to hear what the opinion of the "me first" generation is of us. It's kinda funny.

84 posted on 05/07/2008 7:44:26 AM PDT by Turret Gunner A20
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To: Turret Gunner A20

PS: By the way, I never pushed a baby out of line in my life — and I don’t know anyone who has.


85 posted on 05/07/2008 7:46:12 AM PDT by Turret Gunner A20
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To: Turret Gunner A20

Please don’t take my comments as saying you’re useless...you’re clearly not...but you don’t need to hear that from me. My response was to a comment that most 85+ people would be willing to sacrifice for others...and that ain’t my experience at all.

When I hear about the “me first generation,” I always wonder, “who raised the me first generation to feel and act the way that they feel and act?”

It’s kinda funny.


86 posted on 05/07/2008 8:30:22 AM PDT by perez24 (Dirty deeds, done dirt cheap.)
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To: Turret Gunner A20

It’s a metaphor.


87 posted on 05/07/2008 8:32:39 AM PDT by perez24 (Dirty deeds, done dirt cheap.)
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To: PghBaldy
I'll be willing to sacrifice myself (sick anyway) if they name something after me. Since there'll be so many sacrificed, a fire hydrant is good enough for me. Or maybe something Federal - like the stamp sponge at the Post Office.

The stamp sponge I could go along with -- but the government is already using me for that purpose without making it convenient for every dog in town to do the same to my memorial.

88 posted on 05/07/2008 8:59:20 AM PDT by Turret Gunner A20
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To: ElectricStrawberry

Pray tell, what is an ElectricStrawberry — and does one get electricuted if he/she eats one???


89 posted on 05/07/2008 9:23:42 AM PDT by Turret Gunner A20
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To: Turret Gunner A20
Nickname of the 25th Infantry Division, based on the patch looking like a strawberry. Supposed to be a taro leaf with lightening bolt.


90 posted on 05/07/2008 9:52:44 AM PDT by ElectricStrawberry (27th Infantry Regiment...cut in half during the Clinton years.)
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To: ElectricStrawberry
Nickname of the 25th Infantry Division ....

Then, that being so, I imagine anyone trying to eat it [the 25th, that is]would get more of a shock than from the average electricution.

91 posted on 05/07/2008 10:32:01 AM PDT by Turret Gunner A20
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To: trussell

yeah, wish I could take it back. But calling an age for death “triage” is stupid-you basketball!


92 posted on 05/09/2008 5:54:17 PM PDT by discipler (McCain is irksome. Obama and Hillary are Commies)
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To: discipler
you basketball!

Again...very mature. I guess you expected that to make me feel inferior to you? You didn't accomplish your goal.

93 posted on 05/11/2008 9:08:52 AM PDT by trussell (I carry because...When seconds count between life and death, the police are only minutes away)
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To: trussell

Ok, I’m sorry - you ladder!


94 posted on 05/12/2008 4:13:48 PM PDT by discipler (McCain is irksome. Obama and Hillary are Commies)
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To: discipler

Oh OUCH. That hurt!

NOT!

Keep it up, you’re just making yourself look bad. Your credibility is at risk here discipler...


95 posted on 05/12/2008 4:22:21 PM PDT by trussell (I carry because...When seconds count between life and death, the police are only minutes away)
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To: trussell

Hey Trussell,
Get a life.
Back to the issue. Do you think designating a cut off age for medical care is just like stand triage?


96 posted on 05/12/2008 8:22:55 PM PDT by discipler (McCain is irksome. Obama and Hillary are Commies)
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To: discipler

I have a life...one that I am very happy with, thank you.

I don’t know what the process of “Stand triage” is, so I couldn’t honestly say.

Designating a cut off age for medical care is not something I would be willing to support. Many people older than the suggested age are still very active and have lots they can still contribute to society.


97 posted on 05/12/2008 8:59:43 PM PDT by trussell (I carry because...When seconds count between life and death, the police are only minutes away)
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To: trussell

Thanks for the encouragement you have given.


98 posted on 05/14/2008 5:49:53 AM PDT by discipler (GREEN type saves the planet.)
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To: 2ndreconmarine; Fitzcarraldo; Covenantor; Mother Abigail; EBH; Dog Gone; ...
An older article and post, but food for discussion/thought.

Sure, the concept of triage is nothing new, but basing it solely on a birthdate is different from the sort of trauma triage which most ER personnel are familliar with.

H5N1, not unlike the Spanish Flu, seems to disproportionately affect the young, and apparently, through overstimulating the immune system (Cytokine Storm) causes irrecoverable pulmonary damage.

Ironically, the elderly are not generally in the age group most susceptible to this desease, but those in the prime of life, whose immune systems are generally stronger.

Please notify me of any redundant or unwanted pings. I try to keep the list up to date, but work back and forth between several computers and may not have the latest version on this one.

99 posted on 06/27/2008 10:30:05 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Thanks for the ping.


100 posted on 06/27/2008 11:10:59 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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