The government should turn a blind eye to the breaking of the laws of this country?
Is that really preferable?
Terrorized, like this little girl who is grinning ear to ear and RUNNING to the bus?
Posted on 05/06/2008 5:16:55 AM PDT by MrEdd
Census sheets found in a safe at a polygamous sect's ranch in west Texas both support and contradict the state's claim of a widespread culture of underage marriage.
Texas authorities used the sheets to convince a judge that there was a "pervasive pattern" among the FLDS of marrying underage girls to older men.
A review of the "Father's Family Information" sheets shows a handful of 16-year-old wives, 13 young monogamous couples and 24 men with multiple wives - including one man with 21 wives and 36 children.
A Texas Ranger testified about the census sheets during an April 17-18 court hearing before 51st District Judge Barbara Walther, who accepted the records as evidence despite objections from attorneys representing FLDS parents and children. The pages were recently released by the court. Sgt. Danny Crawford said the sheets were found April 5 in an office at the ranch, home to members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Texas authorities raided the ranch on April 3 after receiving reports of an abused 16-year-old, calls now being investigated as a possible hoax.
Authorities have said, however, they found evidence of a polygamous lifestyle and underage marriage practices at the ranch that supported removing 464 children.
The bishop's record sheets helped them make that case.
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The government should turn a blind eye to the breaking of the laws of this country?
Is that really preferable?
Terrorized, like this little girl who is grinning ear to ear and RUNNING to the bus?
So, the pattern of sexual abuse by the 'prophets' is less than what the State of Texas has done?
You are arguing, seriously, that the SoT should be advised that these children would be better off if they had just left these 13 and 14 year old girls to be 'married' off to the older men in the community? Forced marriages and the associated sexual abuse is less harmful than being sent to groups homes for a few months while this situation is sorted out? Seriously? That's your argument?
So - in your world, should the government ever step in and prosecute a pedophile or abusive parent if that prosecution requires the removal of the child from their home? I mean, since you assert that the government is doing more harm to these girls than their pedophiliac 'fathers' and 'husbands' - when is removing a child necessary or beneficial?
Anxiously awaiting your response...
P.S.
And don’t forget the men. At least the majority of the men at the YEAR FOR ZION RANCH.
(I think it was YEAR FOR ZION first, then as each prophecy of Warren Jeffs failed, he changed it to YEARning FOR ZION to ward off claims he was no better than the homeless crazy guy on the street corner with a sign saying “THE END OF THE WORLD IS NEAR”.)
Here is the REAL ‘END OF THE WORLD’.
http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/end
You do realise they took children who were not pregnant, showing signs of abuse, or thrown out in the street.
The question is, what if your neighbor turns you in, so the CPS shows up at your door, as the “have” to do, “for the children”.
Do they presume that the child in the house belongs to you? I figured they would, but I also have the birth certificates available to prove it.
But now the suggestion is that the certificates can be forged, and therefore can’t be trusted as proof of anything.
Which first makes me wonder why the government accepts them for passports and for security clearances, but second makes me wonder what a parent is supposed to do to provide a valid proof of being the parent of the kid.
Exactly!!
The children were still in danger. Just because they weren’t pregnant YET doesn’t matter. There was a pattern of abuse.
Plus they had no way to identify them.
Thanks for the pic. Does that little girl have a choice to get on that bus? If she refuses, what will that armed guard do with her?
Frankly, I think arranged marriages are antithetical to the ideals of American freedom. That's my view.
LOL!
Probably smile and tell her he has a little girl just like her (and mean it). And think he’s glad that she’ll grow up free, able to pick her mate and not be giving to an old geezer as a ‘wife’.
He’s just babbling. He’s the guy standing on a street corner complaining his TV is watching him.
If CPS wants to make a deal of proving the kids in my house are my kids, then DNA testing is what it will probably take, even though I have proper, legal documentation from the hospital.
I have legal paperwork and footprints which is far more than the flds has. They’ve lied and obstructed the investigation in every way they could. If they don’t like the DNA testing, they need to remember that they brought this on themselves.
If they had co-operated with the authorities, I think there’s the chance the kids would not have been taken. But when mothers lied and children pointed out multiple women as their mother, CPS had no idea which child belonged to whom. They can’t leave a child with a non-custodial adult.
The CPS has rules that it must abide by themselves and they operated under those rules. They are no more free to break those rules than the cultists are to break the laws regarding statutory rape.
I worked for an Indian couple whose marriage was arranged. I asked her and she said it was great because she got to come to the US.
“And why is it that we think that stamped documents from Utah are forged or suspect, “
IIRC, they ‘offered’ to provide them, if the Judge would immediately return all the children.
Without the results of the DNA tests back, the Judge said NO.
If the situation was different, correct me.
Not to mention the obvious. The kids and moms didn’t know who belonged to who. In some cases, the moms said the kids were wrong. This was true of one of the young girls who would have implicated her husband because of age. CPS just gave up after that.
If you had five children, and one of them had signs of abuse, do you think they would leave the other four?
The CPS doesn’t automatically assume that the kids in your house are not yours. You have to give them a reason to, like the flds did.
Only an idiot would do that.
Prove that baby’s mine?
Foot prints, birth records, baby bracelet, medical records, finger prints, blood type, albums full of pictures, pictures on the walls, birth announcements, pictures of me in the delivery room with said baby, video of everything from birth to first poo poo, holiday cards with our pictures, the child calling me ‘Mom’, the other kids calling him/her sister and me Mom, etc...
And if that ain’t enough, DNA. But usually, for CPS, the prior is usually sufficient.
Odd how the FLDS had none of the above.
None.
Usually,
you have layers of abuse on a group of kids...
one clearly abused,
one with hidden abuse,
one even not abused at all!
But you just don’t assume that one is and all the others aren’t.
You made some good points.
And you show a lack of bias by the last point.
Well worth considering.
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