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Good. We'll see whether you will cut and run or feel compelled to continue. Again, George McGovern was a B-24 pilot in WWII which certainly did not make him an expert on Vietnam. If your father and your friends' fathers weakened on the basis of tears and flapdoodle over whether their flesh and blood, apparently not brought up to support the nation against the campus Cong, might reap the consequences of their stupidity, then your father and your friends' fathers were wrong and were wrong because they caved in the face of our nation's campus enemies.

Even if you were right about the dead trash taken out at Kent State, the blame lies not with the guard but with campus punks hurling concrete chunks at the guard. The analogy is that when bank robbers shoot at cops but the cops firing back at the perps kill bystanders in bank robberies, it is called "felony murder" and is just as punishable as any other murder. Speaking of ignorance, look it up. I have a JD and I bet you don't. Of course that assumes that the dead were innocent. You keep saying so but but what, other than the self-serving claptrap of their drama queen families and of the campus Cong is offered as proof. There are bad Eagle scouts and bad ROTC guys too just as there were bad McGoverns.

That's Muffy and Skipper (all purpose rhetorical stand-ins for the spoiled and brainless). Muffy and Skipper are in so many places these last few decades. I recognize that few at Kent State were full Muffies or Skippers which usually requires long periods of brain (if any) rot at the local polo club or yacht basin. Think of the Kent State gulls as Muffy and Skipper wannabes, admiring the mental vacuity and irresponsibility of the real thing.

Daley WAS far too easy on the 1968 punks in the street: Hayden, Bobby Seale, Abbie Hoffman, Jerry Rubin and their ilk. I know one then young woman who was wearing a fur coat in a band of anti-American demonstrators when she was shoved through a plate glass department store. The coat protected her physically. She was angry at the time. She came from a liberal Democrat family that supported her trip to Chicago. Within two years, she figured it out and has spent the rest of her life as a quite conservative Republican. All well and good but when she joined in a mob challenge to police in the streets of Chicago, she forfeited any ground to complain if she had been killed.

No one but no one who supports the guard or the Chicago police has any credibility whining over the fate of those winning Darwin awards for challenging or being in the vicinity of others challenging legitimate authority. Again, not the noticeable absence of campus riots threatening guardsmen's lives since the action at Kent State.

If Muffy or Skipper and their windtunnel equivalents commit suicide by cop or guardsmen, I shed no tear. As to Jackson State, I yielded to facts posted many posts ago. The people there got what they deserved as well BUT I stand on the ground that the non-fatal 460 bullets fired at a Jackson State dormitory according to Hoover's FBI were not necessary even if they harmed no one.

Some smart mouthed punks ran into reality at the hands of guardsmen under attack at Kent State and you get very upset. Do something worthwhile with those rampaging emotions and weepy flapdoodle of yours and stick up for the 50+ million unquestionably innocent sliced diced and hamburgerized since Roe vs. Wade.

If those killed at Kent State were so innocent why was an anti-American POS like Scott Ritter out there flapping his gums in their defense. Did you know that Scotty the internet molester wannabe served in the Marines??? Don't blame the Marines for Scotty. He needs to be responsible for his own behavior.

If the woman picking up her kids were killed, the responsibility is on the punks causing the guard to fire in self-defense. That is the law whether you like it or not.

As to hate, I absolutely despise the New Left, its participants and its allies and the Islamofascisti as well. If you don't, that is your problem. Our job as conservatives is to see to it that your Kumbaya problem does not become our nation's problem. The history of mankind is replete with warfare. We have no responsibility to sit around the fireside singing Kumbaya with our enemies. Teheran, flattened, blackened and glowing in the dark is a far more appealing idea than Iran wielding nukes against the US or its allies. The goings on at Kent State and the death of those killed is far more appealing than letting the mangy "revolutionaries" continue to escalate their warfare against our society. If you disagree, then as your dad apparently believed in his more sensible days, find a country that better reflects your fecklessness. If you stay here and don't wind up needing to spout the Koran or learn Arabic, it will be because of better men than you, men like the guard at Kent State.

For the record I have a MS in History, I did get a 96% on the LSAT in 1978, but decided against law school for other more intrinsically valuable pursuits. I have worked with the Pro-life movement for years and a search of my post on the subject might be enlightening, And if the country survives it will not be because of ranting hate mongering idiots like you sir, it will be because of sacrifices of men like my father, uncle, brother-in-law and others who are far better men than you could ever hope to be. Men who have seen war, seen death and often times caused it, but are intelligent enough to know that violence and war should never be the first move, but always the last resort. You can throw out McGovern's name and talk about kumbaya all you want if it makes you feel good, I could care less. Those type of throw away comments are what I have come to expect from people of limited intelligence, it is so much easier to sloganeer than think. I take my guidance from the people in my life that I know and respect who have walked the walk and to a man none of them prays for war or relishes the thought of it like people like you. You are the typical keyboard hawk, always willing to go to war with others people's blood and sacrifice. The fact that you found a law school willing to take you and easy enough for you to graduate from tells me nothing more than there are some law schools out there with pretty low standards if you are representative of their alumni.

I'm done, you win, be happy with yourself, this discussion obviously means a lot more to you than it does to me. Call it cut and run if you want, more easy sloganeering. I learned years ago you can't have an intelligent, insightful conversation with a person who is neither. Go find someone else to harangue with you rants I have more fruitful things to spend my time doing.