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PETA wants Eight Belles jockey suspended after filly's death
Breitbart ^ | May 4, 2008 | AP

Posted on 05/04/2008 7:18:36 PM PDT by RDTF

NORFOLK, Va. (AP) - People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals is seeking the suspension of Eight Belles' jockey after the filly had to be euthanized following her second-place finish in the Kentucky Derby on Saturday.

Gabriel Saez was riding Eight Belles when she broke both front ankles while galloping out a quarter of a mile past the wire. She was euthanized on the track.

PETA faxed a letter Sunday to Kentucky's racing authority claiming the filly was "doubtlessly injured before the finish" and asked that Saez be suspended while Eight Belles' death is investigated.

"What we really want to know, did he feel anything along the way?" PETA spokeswoman Kathy Guillermo said. "If he didn't then we can probably blame the fact that they're allowed to whip the horses mercilessly."

Eight Belles trainer Larry Jones said the filly was clearly happy when she crossed the finish line.

"I don't know how in the heck they can even come close to saying that," Jones told The Associated Press on Sunday. "She has her ears up, clearly galloping out."

Guillermo said if Saez is found at fault, the group wants the second- place prize of $400,000 won by Eight Belles to be revoked.

Saez, a 20-year-old Panama native, was riding in his first Kentucky Derby. He frequently rides for Jones.

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TOPICS: Pets/Animals; Sports
KEYWORDS: eightbelles; jockey; kentuckyderby; peta
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To: ottbmare

I didn’t ask who you are nor do I care. Period.


61 posted on 05/05/2008 5:47:44 AM PDT by RDTF (my worst nightmare is being on jury duty sequestered with 11 liberals)
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To: ottbmare
Good info, thanks. My cousin was a trainer and worked tracks in Calif. when he was younger. He ultimately moved to Fla., ran an equestrian center in Ft. Myers and hosted major polo matches there. When the center converted to condos he bought property and built a horse bording barn which he sold a year ago then headed down to Panama with his wife.

I sent him an email on this subject and am curious to find out what his take on this is.

It's tragic and it really jades my interest in the sport. But as you say, that's just the way it is and who am I to judge.

People born on the farm or in the country have a whole different attitude on the interconnection of humans and animals that most city people will never understand.

62 posted on 05/05/2008 6:04:31 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Who plugged the hole in the ozone layer?)
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To: ottbmare

as a side note, I wonder how many FReepers around here would be willing to train hard for 3 years just to win a few races then spend the rest of their lives surrounded by women? I would! :)


63 posted on 05/05/2008 6:15:47 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Who plugged the hole in the ozone layer?)
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To: Hot Tabasco

“as a side note, I wonder how many FReepers around here would be willing to train hard for 3 years just to win a few races then spend the rest of their lives surrounded by women? I would! :)”

Sorta depends on what the women looked like........


64 posted on 05/05/2008 6:21:29 AM PDT by exit82 (People get the government they deserve. And they are about to get it--in spades.)
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To: RDTF
You asked about An American Mother, and whether what she said was mere speculation or whether she actually knew what she was talking about. Hence my defense of her qualifications.

You may not know or care who we are, but you are offering opinions and entering into a debate; it's logical for you to ask if we know what we're talking about. And it's logical for me to wonder if you are a knowledgeable horseman who knows what he's talking about. We two ladies do know what we're talking about.

Seems to me you should care. If experts are posting views and information, it's worth attending to what they have to say.

65 posted on 05/05/2008 6:25:40 AM PDT by ottbmare
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To: ottbmare

Again, last word junkie, I didn’t ask nor do I care who you are. If you can’t be respectful to the FReeper that posts the thread then stay off of it.


66 posted on 05/05/2008 6:43:05 AM PDT by RDTF (my worst nightmare is being on jury duty sequestered with 11 liberals)
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To: RDTF; ottbmare
Hey, RDTF, you asked what my qualifications were.

ottb told you.

Just because you don't like the answer is no reason to get steamed.

Do you have any horse experience? Just curious.

I don't have as much track experience as ottb, but I see a lot of off the track horses because when they are retired or aren't fast enough to win they lateral into our part of the horse world.

Racing breakdowns are all too common, and less-than-catastrophic injuries are pretty much routine, to the point that anybody who pays good money for an off the track horse has him vetted and MRI'd to see how bad the leg damage is . . . .

And unfortunately in a sport that pushes athletes to the limit, injuries are pretty much expected and it's a constant calculation to gauge how much the athlete can take. Don't know if you know any old retired football players, but they are loaded up with aches and pains. Friend of my dad's was a linebacker for the Rams back in the day (we're talking the 50s) and he was a mass of old nagging injuries.

Unless you're going to ban any to-the-limit sport outright, the nature of the beast means that you're going to have a lot of injuries and some fatal ones.

With that said, if the owner insisted on running a lightly built filly who didn't have the strength of bone for a major race, that's bad (and as the article upthread noted, probably a bad case of Derby Fever). But that is at the owner's door, not the jockey's. And it's certainly not a conspiracy. Just bad judgment, like sending Dizzy Dean out to pitch with a broken toe and ending his career . . .

My mare was never raced, she was a retired broodmare. She is royally bred, but couldn't catch cold if you spotted her 3 furlongs. I'm sure they knew that she was a slug in the yearling paddock.

67 posted on 05/05/2008 6:56:03 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: oldenuff2no
You are cracking me up here!

I worked one summer on a cattle ranch in the Sand Hills of Nebraska. I would not mess with cowboys!!

Guess the PETA people found that out.

Glad your dad was discreet and that the sheriff was smart enough to look the other way to a degree. Saved the county a lot of trouble in the long run.

68 posted on 05/05/2008 7:00:03 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: RDTF

Fortunately others on the thread seem to have appreciated my input. If you’ll point out to me what was disrespectful about my posts, I’ll make sure not to do it again.


69 posted on 05/05/2008 7:00:54 AM PDT by ottbmare
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To: PAR35
Nobody would deliberately kill a Derby horse that finished in the money. No way.

And I don't see how you could "arrange" to have a horse break both front ankles in the runout after the finish, or that the jockey could have anything to do with it.

It just sounds like that old bugbear, "bad racing luck." It's happened to horses since racing began.

70 posted on 05/05/2008 7:02:56 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: ottbmare

OTTB,

Haven’t you realized true knowledge here is next to meaningless... its all about political ideological conclusions regardless of facts anymore. The persuit of the truth long ago died.


71 posted on 05/05/2008 7:05:30 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: yldstrk
suspending the jockey and investigating the poor horse’s death.
Reply:

Sounds like the same game plan Hillary and Obama have for Iran and Iraq; suspend the military and beg.

72 posted on 05/05/2008 7:06:08 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, a red state wannabe. I don't take Ex Lax I just read the New York Times.)
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To: RDTF

Please, OTTB showed no disrespect and your continued pointless and needless attacks on her show yours. Grow up.


73 posted on 05/05/2008 7:08:57 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay

blablablablablablablab


74 posted on 05/05/2008 7:20:47 AM PDT by RDTF (my worst nightmare is being on jury duty sequestered with 11 liberals)
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To: RDTF

Yep, that’s about what your posts are. Glad to see you ageree.


75 posted on 05/05/2008 7:21:36 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: oldenuff2no
I enjoyed your telling of the story.

Dads are great, my dad sure was my hero.

76 posted on 05/05/2008 7:32:21 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, a red state wannabe. I don't take Ex Lax I just read the New York Times.)
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To: HamiltonJay

more hyperbole crap.
Hamiltonjay - another troublemaker on FReepublic.


77 posted on 05/05/2008 7:58:57 AM PDT by RDTF (my worst nightmare is being on jury duty sequestered with 11 liberals)
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To: HamiltonJay; AnAmericanMother

We can now clearly see what sort of person we are debating here. It’s evident that logic, knowledge, and courtesy are wasted on such. Let’s just lift the pack and cast at another covert.


78 posted on 05/05/2008 8:21:41 AM PDT by ottbmare
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To: ottbmare

OK, Madame Huntsman! < looking for the other whippers-in > < g >


79 posted on 05/05/2008 8:34:08 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: RDTF

Oh yes, I agree completely with there being another trouble maker here on FR, to find him all you’ll need to to RDTF is look in the mirror.


80 posted on 05/05/2008 9:04:27 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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