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I'm very interested in hearing from any lawyers on this one.

I can't say I agree with the Times' conclusion, which seems to be that poor people should have less of a right to attorney-client privilege than the rest of us.

I could go either way, but certainly not on that basis.

1 posted on 05/04/2008 6:05:09 PM PDT by Grammar Nazi
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To: Grammar Nazi

Easy call. I would simply turn in my license and find another way to make a living.


3 posted on 05/04/2008 6:15:15 PM PDT by Mercat (the magician has lost control of the show)
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All a lawyer with a guilty client should do is his best concerning the sentencing of same.


4 posted on 05/04/2008 6:17:51 PM PDT by skr (I serve a risen Savior!)
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I cannot even begin to fathom the hideously depraved depths of a lawyer’s “mind” that could allow such a miscarriage of justice.


5 posted on 05/04/2008 6:28:25 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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Telling what he knew was “ethically permissible and morally imperative” 22 years ago. Some stupid made-up bar association “ethics” rules are no excuse for sitting quietly by while a man you know is innocent is spending the prime of his life in prison. I wouldn’t blame either one of these men released after 20+ years, if they went out and murdered the sorry excuse for a human being who kept mum about their innocence all that time. If I was on a jury I would vote “not guilty” in a heartbeat. Anyone who lets being an ethical, truthful human being take a back seat to being a lawyer, at the expense of 20+ years of someone else’s life doesn’t deserve to live.

Even under these stupid bar association rules, the only penalty one of these lawyers would have suffered for piping up was having to find a different job that didn’t require being a member of the bar. They’ll let an innocent man spend 20+ years of his life in prison, so they don’t have to give up their precious career practicing law??? Sick, sick, sick!!


6 posted on 05/04/2008 6:31:31 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Grammar Nazi
Lawyer's are not in the "justice" business.
The police are not in the business of "protecting" the public.

Somehow our culture has convinced us that lawyers and cops care about helping law-abiding citizens. They don't. At least, that's not part of their job description.

Lawyers work to make sure their clients (whether guilty or not) do not suffer any legal penalties. The police work to put people in jail after they do bad things to good people.

7 posted on 05/04/2008 6:35:45 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Et si omnes ego non)
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There is a concept in law “standing”, that is the ability to assert a claim or a privilege. I would suggest that the dead client has no standing to object to the testimony of his attorney. The attorney was obligated to defend his client not to preserve the client’s legacy for eternity.


9 posted on 05/04/2008 6:47:58 PM PDT by jimfree (Freep and Ye shall find.)
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Twenty-two years before, he said, a client, now dead, confessed that he had acted alone in committing a double murder for which another man was also serving life.

You can not take the word of a self-confessed murderer at any value whatsoever. The testimony is worthless. It means zilch.

11 posted on 05/04/2008 6:49:38 PM PDT by bvw
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To: Grammar Nazi; Taylor42
(1) The client/attorney relationship does not end with the client's death.

(2) There is no way of ascertaining whether a convicted felon who is already serving a life sentence is telling the truth.

(3) Most people would think twice about sacrificing their career and livelihood for something that could turn out to be a lie told by an extremely unreliable individual.

(4) Taylor42, the "law is above people" according to our Founding Fathers' design. No one is supposed to be above the law.

(5) Perhaps some blame is due to the innocent man's defense attorney for screwing up a defense attorney's ultra-rare dream case: one with an innocent client.

14 posted on 05/04/2008 7:00:11 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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This is what every attorney dreads. An innocent in jail or death row.

Attorney-Client privilege and its cousin "confidentiality" are the backbone of everything. This generally survives death (Supreme Court). It is also the law itself.

Based on strictly the rules of professional responsibility, the judge probably did not have a choice. Under the model rules which are similar to most states, he was OBLIGATED to report the attorney to the bar - or he could be disciplined himself.

I agree with the judge, with reservations. I don't know what I'd do in that situation, but without confidentiality, attorneys can not properly defend their clients, including innocent clients. The right to a fair trial must trump everything since anyone of use could at some point be in court like that Duke LaCrosse team.

18 posted on 05/04/2008 7:05:57 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in - Michael Corleone)
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You have a fiduciary obligation to keep your client's confidence. The entire point of being an attorney is preserving your client's trust. And you can't break that except under a very narrowly defined set of circumstances. Barring those, you face disbarment.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

23 posted on 05/04/2008 7:21:18 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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Is there a reason why it's a bad think for a lawyer's client, if guilty, to not confess to their lawyer? What's the benefit of the confession by a guilty party to justice being served if the lawyer can't report the confession?
43 posted on 05/04/2008 9:24:34 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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I think that the US legal system has devolved into the same horrendous mess that is destroying our schools and other institutions... where it is doing what is "right" is the safe defensible choice over doing the right thing.

This pervades every facet of society.

As children are arrested and taken away in handcuffs for drawing a picture of a gun or anything that is now offensive and as zero tolerance has become the sanctuary of cowards who are too timid or stupid to make a sane judgement call, we have confused law with justice.

To remain on point, it has been a foundation of law that the protection of the innocent is far more important than the punishment of the guilty.

At this link is a good article laying out the historical wrestling with how many guilty persons should go free rather than unjustly harm an innocent person.

UCLA Law

To think that this is acceptable in any form shows how degraded our legal system has become. This is nothing but institutional slow speed murder and longterm torture.

To those that say that you can't take the word of a criminal , I think a better test would be that if he/she had taken the stand during the trial and said "I did it", would any jury convict someone else?
48 posted on 05/05/2008 7:18:45 AM PDT by Ron/GA
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For those who view the attorney-client privilege as inviolable as if it were part of Divine Law, there is this from the article:

“Legal ethics rules vary from state to state, but many allow disclosure of client confidences to prevent certain death or substantial bodily harm. That means, several legal ethics experts said, that lawyers may break a client’s confidence to stop an execution, but not to free an innocent prisoner. Massachusetts seems to be alone in allowing lawyers to reveal secrets ‘to prevent the wrongful execution or incarceration of another.’”

These ethical codes are written by various jurisdictions, and those that write them can write exceptions into them.

It should generally be the case that the ethical codes for lawyers should require that lawyers divulge otherwise-privileged information to prevent the incarceration or execution of likely innocent individuals.

49 posted on 05/05/2008 7:25:26 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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On a similar topic... in my community, there is an association, invitation only, named after a federal judge. Just recently there was a civility award designated and this Wednesday, the first recipiant of that award will be honored at the bar luncheon. I just got the email. Now, here’s what really makes me cranky - several years ago, this judge murdered his wife and killed himself. HOW IN THE WORLD IS THERE CIVILITY IN THAT!!!!


50 posted on 05/05/2008 9:00:46 AM PDT by Mercat (the magician has lost control of the show)
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