Posted on 05/04/2008 4:39:32 PM PDT by Grig
Prove it.
BTW...was the Apostle John a priesthood holder? Was he not allowed to remain and tarry about? Was his priesthood taken away from him?
Having just returned from the Holy Land, I have seen proof positive (even acclaimed as true by nonreligious archaeologists and scientists)of the claims of both the Old Testament as well as the New Testament.
In the Book of Acts just for instance, Luke records places and events that we now may locate, inspect and certify of events that are also chronicled by non-Jews (Roman historians);non-Christiains (Josephus), etc.
The accounts of the Book of Mormon are much later than the Bible, they supposedly occur in the Americas, yet there are no archaeological findings, and even the DNA of the peoples who would be descendants of the people listed in the BOM, never match up.
Why, because they have been made up out of whole cloth by a man.
Unless and until you have any provable "facts" that support your "proofs," your "faith" continues to be a cult and most definitely NOT Christian.
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It would be good if you would study more and find out why you have been deceived.
Muy interesante.
Even your own church disavowed the DNA discoveries of one of their own, regarding the "descendants" of the peoples listed in the BOM.
The facts are that despite decades of archaeological research, researchers have found many pre-Colombian, native American civilizations throughout South, Central and North America, nothing has been found to point to even one significant event claimed in the BOM. No BOM cities, inscriptions, no inscriptions in Hebrew, Egyptian, no scriptures, no relics, no mention of people, nations, or places, no artifacts of any kind have ever been found, compared to the Near East studies researchers have found inscriptions in caves, articles used in daily life have been unearthed, even the Dead Sea Scrolls findings actually point to civilizations mentioned in the Old and New Testament. Civilizations that date back thousands of years.
The Bible has stood the test of rigorous scrutiny. Such cannot be said for the BOM.
Add to that the claims of any of the descendants of the ancient peoples of South, Central or North America being from the Middle East, do not bear out.
It is truly sad for folk such as yourself to continue to claim these things as true but some people will claim a lie as truth rather than admit to having been duped.
Prove the existence of Moses.
The times, people and events mentioned in the Pentateuch have been proved by Egyptologists, i.e. Pharaohs, wars, famines, movements of peoples, by writings from that era.
All men have heard of the Mormon Bible, but few except the "elect" have seen it, or, at least, taken the trouble to read it. I brought away a copy from Salt Lake. The book is a curiosity to me, it is such a pretentious affair, and yet so "slow," so sleepy; such an insipid mess of inspiration. It is chloroform in print. If Joseph Smith composed this book, the act was a miracle--keeping awake while he did it was, at any rate. If he, according to tradition, merely translated it from certain ancient and mysteriously-engraved plates of copper, which he declares he found under a stone, in an out-of-the-way locality, the work of translating was equally a miracle, for the same reason.The book seems to be merely a prosy detail of imaginary history, with the Old Testament for a model; followed by a tedious plagiarism of the New Testament. The author labored to give his words and phrases the quaint, old-fashioned sound and structure of our King James's translation of the Scriptures; and the result is a mongrel--half modern glibness, and half ancient simplicity and gravity. The latter is awkward and constrained; the former natural, but grotesque by the contrast. Whenever he found his speech growing too modern--which was about every sentence or twohe ladled in a few such Scriptural phrases as "exceeding sore," "and it came to pass," etc., and made things satisfactory again. "And it came to pass" was his pet. If he had left that out, his Bible would have been only a pamphlet.
-- Roughing It, Chapter 16
I read the Book of Mormon, 3/4 of it anyway, and I can fully agree with Twain's appraisal of it.
But no Moses
That Egypt was an actual country, with an actual group of leaders, who did recorded things and there were peoples, places and events that can be verified as provable facts - and the people, places, events, animals, metals and writings written about in the BOM cannot?
INTREP
You can’t prove the existence of Moses with your “Proofs” and you know it.
New here, are you?
Please ping me if and when you ever get an answer to that question.
I’ve asked the question many times and have never received an answer back. The point is, you can’t say that there was a total apostasy while at the same time saying the Apostle John never died and continues to tarry about unless he lost his priesthood authority also....which may be the answer, but on what grounds?
Ditto
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