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One Man, Many Wives, Big Problems
Reason Magazine ^ | April 3, 2006 | Jonathan Rauch

Posted on 05/04/2008 4:14:25 PM PDT by Flo Nightengale

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2-year-old article, but pertinent now. I keep reading on the numerous FLDS-related threads that "polygamy is okay, as long as it's between consenting adults." But a big part of what has led to the abusive situations now being uncovered IS the practice of polygamy itself. FTA: "no polygamous society has ever been a true liberal democracy, in anything like the modern sense. As societies move away from hierarchy and toward equal opportunity, they leave polygamy behind. They monogamize as they modernize."
1 posted on 05/04/2008 4:14:25 PM PDT by Flo Nightengale
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To: Flo Nightengale
Gee, I would think that in a society which advocates same sex marriage, that polygamy would be OK also. After its just a “lifestyle choice”

Seem to me that the polygamists need to hire the ACLU and American Psychological association, and other pressure groups to ascertain that there is a “Polygamy Gene” and the polygamists are just “born that way”.

2 posted on 05/04/2008 4:19:26 PM PDT by MCCRon58 (Freedom does not mean you are free from the consequences of your own freely made decisions.)
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To: Flo Nightengale

polygamy = how to pee in your own gene pool!


3 posted on 05/04/2008 4:19:51 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (If you're not following Jesus, just who are you following, and where are they leading you?)
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To: Flo Nightengale
In the late '90s... I was married, had 2 daughters, a step daughter, and a friend living in the house.

I spent a lot of time in the garage. Really, really.

Just thinking back on it makes me glad to be a bitter old man, living alone, that can't accidentally end the world by leaving a seat up, supposing I could find an open stall.

/johnny

4 posted on 05/04/2008 4:20:54 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: Flo Nightengale

“Scarcity of women leads to a situation in which men with advantages — money, skills, education — will marry, but men without such advantages — poor, unskilled, illiterate — will not ....”

This is a critical point, and it bears repeating often.

Women’s organizations tend to see women as the victim in polygamy (no surprise). A lot of men might also fantasize about multiple wives (without multiple M.I.L.s). The harsh reality is that polygamy would hurt most men. It would also destabilize society — which the article also does a good job of explaining.

Good post.


5 posted on 05/04/2008 4:22:54 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Flo Nightengale; Politicalmom

PING


6 posted on 05/04/2008 5:03:17 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Flo Nightengale
If liberals have no problem with gay marriage, who are they say to say having multiple marriage partners is wrong? On what grounds can they object? After all one social arrangement is no more wrong than any other kind of social arrangement.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

7 posted on 05/04/2008 5:30:32 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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Here is the way I see it. Polygamy maybe? Same sex marriage never!


8 posted on 05/04/2008 5:34:58 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: Flo Nightengale

Polygamy is illegal.


9 posted on 05/04/2008 5:38:31 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Flo Nightengale
One problem is that the taxpayer will often end up subsidizing multiple wives. Yes, no doubt it will be argued about one working out as a nurse, another working as a bank teller etc.

Facts are likely that most extra wives have to be kept- one way or another. The children provide the monies from the taxpayer. The man skims some of it off the top for himself.

10 posted on 05/04/2008 5:43:40 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: Saundra Duffy

yes polygamy is illegal, but there has been at least one lawsuit filed after the gay marriage lawsuits started making the argument that it’s discriminitory to limit marriage to 1 man and 1 woman. Reason being, polygamists can claim that 2 person marriage is also discriminitory.

If courts will find a constitutional right to same sex marriage, they could also use the same reasoning and find a constitutional right to polygamy, or any other arrangement that people wish to live in.

Like it or not, previous generations made a policy judgement that polygamy should be illegal. Similarly, nobody in years past ever thought about same sex marriage happening. But the same legal arguments, that it is discrimination, apply to both same sex marriage and polygamy.


11 posted on 05/04/2008 5:48:08 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Flo Nightengale
One thing I find interesting about this article is that, in the past, I usually find polygamy criticized as an abuse of women. This writer presents polygamy as offering more options to women and as an abuse of men, denying many of them the opportunity to marry.
12 posted on 05/04/2008 5:50:47 PM PDT by broncobilly
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To: rawcatslyentist; Flo Nightengale
> how to pee in your own gene pool!

The only rationale/justification I can imagine for polygamy is biological primitive -- it allows a single male to keep a number of breeding females pregnant, so it increases the number of offspring, which is useful for growing the tribe.

However, it is clear that not all males can take advantage of this opportunity, the birth ratio being roughly 50/50. So the long term effect is that it causes young males to be killed or exiled from the tribe to reduce competition.

From a social (not biological) point of view, it's just stupid and destabilizing.

OTOH, balanced with an equal amount of polyandry (multiple husbands for a single woman), it could work out in an interesting way. Look at polyandry pragmatically -- the men can cooperatively trade off responsibilities: my week to work, your week to take out the garbage and mow the lawn, his week to paint the porch. No one man gets burned out.

[Joking! I'm joking!!!]

Families were meant to be one man, one woman.

What kind of craziness is next???

13 posted on 05/04/2008 5:52:37 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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> ...an abuse of men, denying many of them the opportunity to marry.

If they're lucky, that's the only downside. It's usually more sinister.

In most polygamous groups, "excess" young men are simply killed, or exiled from the group, to reduce competition.

Polygamy is hell on males, except for the select few.

14 posted on 05/04/2008 5:54:57 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored
Polygamy is hell on males, except for the select few.

Multiple Mother's in Law!!

15 posted on 05/04/2008 6:12:36 PM PDT by RC51
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Oh, for God’s sake! I am not for same sex marriage; nor am I for polygamy. God forbid! This is such nonsense. All I’m saying is that when the authorities invaded that ranch, they did so by crapping all over the Constitution.


16 posted on 05/04/2008 6:14:45 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: RC51
>> Polygamy is hell on males, except for the select few.

> Multiple Mother's in Law!!

True, of course. Presumably worth it (else they wouldn't do it), but Gawd what a nightmare "bargain"!!

17 posted on 05/04/2008 6:19:19 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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> Multiple Mother's in Law!!

Oh wait, perfect solution: Only marry sisters! Mutiple wives, only one MIL.

18 posted on 05/04/2008 6:20:30 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored
What kind of craziness is next???

As conservatives we should have asked this question when the Supreme Court ruled in Lawrence v. Texas. At that time the asnwer to your question was polygamy, and we we were only slightly in trouble.

Now unfortunately, the answer to your question is ployamory, bestiality, canibalism and necrophilia. Since adult consent can be obtained or implied in all of these cases, our enlightened liberal friends see nothing wrong with them.

19 posted on 05/04/2008 6:21:28 PM PDT by mwilli20 (Don't let them reformulate it, call it "Global Warming"!)
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To: Flo Nightengale
One wife with PMS was bad enough . . .
20 posted on 05/04/2008 6:25:27 PM PDT by Petruchio (Democrats are like Slinkies... Not good for anything, but it's fun pushing them down the stairs.)
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