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Woman recalls life in polygamist sect (YFZ/fLDS Daily Thread - 5/4/08)
Arizona Daily Star ^
 | 05.04.2008
 | David Perlmutt
Posted on 05/04/2008 9:18:32 AM PDT by MizSterious
Published: 05.04.2008
 
 
  
   
 Woman recalls life in polygamist sect 
  
  
  
  By David Perlmutt 
  MCCLATCHY NEWSPAPERS 
  CHARLOTTE, N.C.  She was raised by her father and his three wives, surrounded by 12 siblings. 
  There was no TV, no radio. At school, she was taught that man never landed on the moon. She and other girls in the polygamist Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints were required to "keep sweet," free of jealousy or anger, or risk beatings or humiliation. 
  And by the time Kathy Jo Nicholson turned 14, she was sewing her wedding dress, knowing that any day she could be thrown into marriage with a man three times her age. 
  Nicholson never finished that dress. Instead, she began to question her faith and, at 18, walked out on it. 
  All those memories flooded back after authorities removed more than 500 women and children  she knows many  from a Texas compound run by the men who once controlled her life. 
  "I am happy for the children, though I know they're terrified," said Nicholson, 37, who has lived in Charlotte with her husband and two sons since 2004. "But, now, they have a chance. 
  "Their mothers, too, have a chance if they'll just grab onto the hands that are reaching out. I know they're conflicted. I know the mind control."
  
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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: childabuse; flds; fldsdailythread; polygamy; yfz
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posted on 
05/04/2008 11:25:54 AM PDT
by 
greyfoxx39
(FLDS.... making babies with children  because their God wants earthly bodies for spirit babies.)
 
To: Pikachu_Dad
    By the way, she was 14 working on a wedding dress - she didnt leave until she was 18...  So by her own admission she wasnt forced into a marriage with an older man against her will.
 Legally, her consent is irrelevant. It's called statutory rape. And if it is a polygamous "marriage", it's not a legal marriage, therefore there is no consent to be given by the parents of the minor. String the perp up with Warren, maybe they will get married to each other. Who knows?
 
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posted on 
05/04/2008 11:27:17 AM PDT
by 
TheDon
 
To: org.whodat
    Coward Shurtleff who hasn't the nerve to enforce the law in Utah weasles out on supporting the law enforcement in Texas.
 Figures.
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posted on 
05/04/2008 11:37:37 AM PDT
by 
greyfoxx39
(FLDS.... making babies with children  because their God wants earthly bodies for spirit babies.)
 
To: Pikachu_Dad
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posted on 
05/04/2008 12:06:23 PM PDT
by 
AppyPappy
(If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
 
To: stlnative; ricks_place
    How about if you start a new FLDS thread that you post a link to it over here on the daily thread? I've been trying to do that..thanks for the reminder. 
The FLDS argument will not hold up
 
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posted on 
05/04/2008 12:10:41 PM PDT
by 
greyfoxx39
(FLDS.... making babies with children  because their God wants earthly bodies for spirit babies.)
 
To: MizSterious; stlnative
    And by the way, I really appreciate the articles you add to the thread. You find some good stuff!DITTO!
 
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posted on 
05/04/2008 12:12:31 PM PDT
by 
greyfoxx39
(FLDS.... making babies with children  because their God wants earthly bodies for spirit babies.)
 
To: MizSterious
    I was just going over the Bishop’s List. There were less than 200 hundred children listed as living at R17 (YFZ Ranch) in March 2007. I wonder where the other 250+ kids came from — they all couldn’t be new infants. Where are their parents?
http://www.myeldorado.net/graphics/BishopsList.pdf
 
To: Alice in Wonderland
    I was just going over the Bishops List. There were less than 200 hundred children listed as living at R17 (YFZ Ranch) in March 2007. I wonder where the other 250+ kids came from  they all couldnt be new infants. Where are their parents? And, is this why the Judge would not just give those kids to whomever "claimed" to be parents? 
 BTW, are you able to compile a chart that makes more sense than trying to read that pdf file?
 
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posted on 
05/04/2008 1:33:01 PM PDT
by 
greyfoxx39
(FLDS.... making babies with children  because their God wants earthly bodies for spirit babies.)
 
    Dang, when I try to reply I get “requested document not on this server.” FR’s having trouble today!
 
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posted on 
05/04/2008 1:52:59 PM PDT
by 
MizSterious
(God bless the Texas Rangers for freeing women & children from sexual slavery and abuse.)
 
To: Pikachu_Dad
    “So by her own admission she wasnt forced into a marriage with an older man against her will.”
Ahhh, but someone forced into “working on a wedding dress.”
In other words, she was beig conditioned for the command, whether it came or not.
Nice try.
 
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posted on 
05/04/2008 2:21:22 PM PDT
by 
rightazrain
(Stop Obama/Clinton!)
 
To: MizSterious
    Google “Winslow, -Ben and FLDS” and see how many hits you get. Is this guy a member or sympathetic Mormon?
 
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posted on 
05/04/2008 3:01:31 PM PDT
by 
MrEdd
(Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
 
To: greyfoxx39
    “Coward Shurtleff who hasn’t the nerve to enforce the law in Utah “
Because his career would end immediately, if he did.
 
32
posted on 
05/04/2008 3:02:16 PM PDT
by 
UCANSEE2
(I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all posters)
 
To: UCANSEE2
    ;) What is principle when your career is at stake, eh?
 
33
posted on 
05/04/2008 3:08:17 PM PDT
by 
greyfoxx39
(FLDS.... making babies with children  because their God wants earthly bodies for spirit babies.)
 
To: Domandred
    Yep, and Syphilis kept that incarceration from being the slap on the hand it might have been, since there wasn’t an effective treatment for it. He was going to die anyway, and that way he got to wallow in his pain rather than distracting himself and infecting other people.
 
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posted on 
05/04/2008 3:15:15 PM PDT
by 
MrEdd
(Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
 
To: Alice in Wonderland
    I was just going over the Bishops List. There were less than 200 hundred children listed as living at R17 (YFZ Ranch) in March 2007. I wonder where the other 250+ kids came from  they all couldnt be new infants. Where are their parents?Well, about 100 of them are 2 & under...so 50 of them were probably born in the past year. 
Other than that, it was probably "Here come the brides."
 
To: MizSterious
    "In the media, our lifestyle and beliefs get painted as abusers and people who commit welfare fraud," Um, because it is true? Perhaps the welfare is not outright fraud, but these women are not really married and can qualify for aid...the men produce numerous children and then "bleed the beast" to provide for them. It is an insult to taxpayers who are responsible and support their own children. 
And the abuse? Read Carolyn Jessup's book if you don't believe those kids are abused.
 
To: MizSterious
    Fortunately, Texas is not giving the FLDS abusers a chance to flee with abused children in tow. That’s exactly what Utah and Arizona did.
 
To: Colofornian
    They have been continually bringing new families to YFZ, as construction and thus available housing progressed. And I wouldn’t be surprised if records showing wives under age 16 weren’t squirreled away in a safer place.
 
To: Pikachu_Dad
    she didnt leave until she was 18...
So by her own admission she wasnt forced into a marriage with an older man against her will
_________________________________________________
Would you allow your daughter to stay if she refused to “marry” an old man you chose for her ???
Without punishment or danger of some kind ???
The cult didnt...she had to FLEE...
She may have been refusing for some years before she left...
 
To: greyfoxx39
    the Presbyterian Home for Children in Amarillo
the Methodist Children’s Home in Waco
________________________________________________
The false prophet Joseph Smith must be rolling over in his grave...
 
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