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1 posted on 05/03/2008 10:09:22 AM PDT by stan_sipple
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2 posted on 05/03/2008 10:11:14 AM PDT by A. Morgan (VOTE FOR A LIBERAL N' WE'LL BE UP TO OUR NECKS IN ILLEGALS and OUTA' GAS!)
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Too bad you didn’t learn about “STFU, you stupid RINO”, ya hear that Hagel?


3 posted on 05/03/2008 10:11:30 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jimmy Carter is the skidmark in the panties of American history.)
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It’s time for Hagel to unwind from politics.


4 posted on 05/03/2008 10:13:13 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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Do the best you can, Bin Ladin don’t like a slacker. And he has NOT called off this war!!


6 posted on 05/03/2008 10:20:16 AM PDT by Waco
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Chuck Hagel: just one more example of why I quit giving money to the RNC. I do not trust party hacks to spend my donations, and only give to individual candidates.


7 posted on 05/03/2008 10:23:10 AM PDT by Always A Marine
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Hagel’s remarks were sparked by a student’s question during a dialog with eighth graders at St. Joseph Catholic School.

Chuck finally discovers an audience not too intellectually advanced or politically mature for him. The girls thought his asking for dates at lunchtime, "a bit creepy" though.

9 posted on 05/03/2008 10:30:49 AM PDT by FredZarguna ("I want that crazy uncle institutionalized, pronto.")
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A lesson of Vietnam that applies to Iraq is “the deeper you bog down in a morass, the more difficult it is to get out,” Sen. Chuck Hagel said Friday.

I am a retired Naval Officer and have strong respect for our military. I part ways with the FR knee-jerk support of Bush and his neo-cons on the conduct of the Iraq war, however, over a very very fundamental issue.

The issue is not pro/anti- conservative or pro/anti- war on terror, but rather what is our strategy? What would victory look like if we were to achieve it? How will we achieve that victory? What resources are required? Is the national sacrifice worth the goal defined in the strategy?

As has been abundantly clear, the neo-cons invated Iraq with no goal or strategy beyond "kill Sadam." That strategy takes one bullet or one noose. What then? Well we never looked beyond the noses of Feith and Wolfowitz and Bremer and Cheney and answered the "what then?" We are, however, dealing with the multi-trillion dollar aftermath of "what then."

Realistic military strategy begins with Sun Tsu.

The Art of War

By Sun Tzu

Translated by Lionel Giles

I. Laying Plans

1. Sun Tzu said: The art of war is of vital importance to the State.

2. It is a matter of life and death, a road either to safety or to ruin. Hence it is a subject of inquiry which can on no account be neglected.

3. The art of war, then, is governed by five constant factors, to be taken into account in one's deliberations, when seeking to determine the conditions obtaining in the field.

4. These are: (1) The Moral Law; (2) Heaven; (3) Earth; (4) The Commander; (5) Method and discipline.

5,6. The Moral Law causes the people to be in complete accord with their ruler, so that they will follow him regardless of their lives, undismayed by any danger.

7. Heaven signifies night and day, cold and heat, times and seasons.

8. Earth comprises distances, great and small; danger and security; open ground and narrow passes; the chances of life and death.

9. The Commander stands for the virtues of wisdom, sincerely, benevolence, courage and strictness.

10. By method and discipline are to be understood the marshaling of the army in its proper subdivisions, the graduations of rank among the officers, the maintenance of roads by which supplies may reach the army, and the control of military expenditure.

11. These five heads should be familiar to every general: he who knows them will be victorious; he who knows them not will fail.

12. Therefore, in your deliberations, when seeking to determine the military conditions, let them be made the basis of a comparison, in this wise:--

13. (1) Which of the two sovereigns is imbued with the Moral law? (2) Which of the two generals has most ability? (3) With whom lie the advantages derived from Heaven and Earth? (4) On which side is discipline most rigorously enforced? (5) Which army is stronger? (6) On which side are officers and men more highly trained? (7) In which army is there the greater constancy both in reward and punishment?

14. By means of these seven considerations I can forecast victory or defeat.
....

II. Waging War

1. Sun Tzu said: In the operations of war, where there are in the field a thousand swift chariots, as many heavy chariots, and a hundred thousand mail-clad soldiers, with provisions enough to carry them a thousand li, the expenditure at home and at the front, including entertainment of guests, small items such as glue and paint, and sums spent on chariots and armor, will reach the total of a thousand ounces of silver per day. Such is the cost of raising an army of 100,000 men.

2. When you engage in actual fighting, if victory is long in coming, then men's weapons will grow dull and their ardor will be damped. If you lay siege to a town, you will exhaust your strength.

3. Again, if the campaign is protracted, the resources of the State will not be equal to the strain.

4. Now, when your weapons are dulled, your ardor damped, your strength exhausted and your treasure spent, other chieftains will spring up to take advantage of your extremity. Then no man, however wise, will be able to avert the consequences that must ensue.

5. Thus, though we have heard of stupid haste in war, cleverness has never been seen associated with long delays.

6. There is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare.

7. It is only one who is thoroughly acquainted with the evils of war that can thoroughly understand the profitable way of carrying it on.

8. The skillful soldier does not raise a second levy, neither are his supply-wagons loaded more than twice.

9. Bring war material with you from home, but forage on the enemy. Thus the army will have food enough for its needs.

10. Poverty of the State exchequer causes an army to be maintained by contributions from a distance. Contributing to maintain an army at a distance causes the people to be impoverished.


11 posted on 05/03/2008 10:44:07 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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Go away Chuck. You bore me.


12 posted on 05/03/2008 10:45:33 AM PDT by acapesket
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"As a result of his year in Vietnam, Hagel said, “I see war not in abstractions. Not a day goes by that I don’t think about it."

that is his problem right there, he keeps thinking this is viet nam all over and it's not! I'm so glad he is not running again!

13 posted on 05/03/2008 11:02:04 AM PDT by Jewels1091
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Slouching towards irrelevancy.


14 posted on 05/03/2008 11:07:37 AM PDT by jgilbert63
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Gosh, at last my hero, Chuck Hagel, has given me my marching orders. I don’t even go to the bathroom to drop a “Hagel” unless I contact him first.


19 posted on 05/03/2008 11:54:09 AM PDT by Doc Savage ("Are you saying Jesus can't hit a curve ball? - Harris to Cerrano - Major League)
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Hagel auditioning to become another Chris Matthews type of “Conservative” on MSDNC AKA DNC TV.


21 posted on 05/03/2008 1:05:16 PM PDT by Rosemont
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Hagel says...

Who cares?

26 posted on 05/03/2008 4:14:44 PM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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