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Colorado Woman Makes Plea To Sisters In Polygamist Compound (YFZ/fLDS Daily Thread - 5/3/08)
The Denver Channel ^ | May 2, 2008 | Lane Lyon,

Posted on 05/03/2008 6:50:24 AM PDT by MizSterious

Colorado Woman Makes Plea To Sisters In Polygamist Compound

Story Of Arranged Marriages, Abuse Chronicled In New Book

Lane Lyon, 7NEWS Reporter

POSTED: 9:23 pm MDT May 2, 2008
UPDATED: 9:29 pm MDT May 2, 2008
DENVER -- When Texas authorities raided a polygamist compound last month, Laura Chapman took special interest.

"I thought about when I was little and thought about how I wanted to be adopted, and I wanted out of my family," Chapman said Friday.

Now living in Durango, Chapman was born into a polygamist family in Utah.

Chapman said she grew up on 6 acres in Sandy, a suburb of Salt Lake City.

"My father had four wives and I have 31 brothers and sisters," Chapman said.

During an interview with 7NEWS, Chapman spoke to several sisters she believes may be living in the compound in Texas.

"Carol, Andrea, Camille, Charlotte, if you're watching, your sisters out here love you and you can make that leap," Chapman said encouraging them to leave the polygamous sect.

Since escaping the Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints religion in 1991, Chapman said she's been trying to blow the whistle in Utah about abuse and forced marriage to underage girls.

Chapman said doing so has put her at risk with devout FLDS members.

"If you become someone they see as a threat to the work of God, then they can spill your blood. They can kill you," Chapman said.

Chapman's story is now part of a book by local author Stephen Singular titled, “When Men Became Gods.”


(Excerpt) Read more at thedenverchannel.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: childabuse; flds; fldsdailythread; pedophile; rape; sexualabuse; yfz
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To: All
Legal eagles--anyone know more about this--from the article in #17:

Treece says in 1898, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled sexual abuse of children was not constitutional, and he says that is the guiding principal in the case involving the children from the compound.

This was something I didn't know, and would love to quote the case when the occasion arises--if I knew where to look!

21 posted on 05/03/2008 8:10:55 AM PDT by MizSterious (God bless the Texas Rangers for freeing women & children from sexual slavery and abuse.)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

I doubt any proof would suffice for you. Being shot at obviously isn’t enough.


22 posted on 05/03/2008 8:12:10 AM PDT by MizSterious (God bless the Texas Rangers for freeing women & children from sexual slavery and abuse.)
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To: NYpeanut; the808bass; brytlea; pandoraou812; ricks_place; CindyDawg; Huntress; Pebcak; ...

PING!!

FReepmail to be added to the FLDS Eldorado Legal Case Ping List


23 posted on 05/03/2008 8:16:05 AM PDT by Politicalmom (It's the child abuse, stupid!!)
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To: MizSterious

1) More substantiation that the FLDS families have around 30 children.

Gives a possible explanation for why the children have so many bone fractures.
Gives a possible explanation for why the women can’t remember their names, or ages.
Gives a possible explanation for why the ‘older’ boys might be mixing it up with the ‘younger boys’.

The mothers seem .....slow..... , and would/have found it difficult to deal with the hustle/bustle haste/pace of the outside world.

The women have to be protected from that. So they are kept locked in.
The children are so numerous that they are more numbers, than names, and more than a woman on amphetamines could even keep track of, and keep safe from harm. So they are kept locked in.

The men, are studs, used to control the brooding flocks of women and children, and breed more, as quickly as possible.

....and somehow, mathematically, or magically, one of those faceless, mentally retarded boys, doomed to die within a year, or be thrown out at 12 if he doesn’t die, ...will be Jesus.


24 posted on 05/03/2008 8:16:15 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all posters)
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To: greyfoxx39; All
Abuses in Polygamous Sects. Only for those with a strong stomach, these reports are heartbreaking.
25 posted on 05/03/2008 8:17:53 AM PDT by MizSterious (God bless the Texas Rangers for freeing women & children from sexual slavery and abuse.)
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To: MizSterious


"What, you don't like my neanderthal unibrow?"


Someone needs to tell this gal she could make a fortune working for Geico!

26 posted on 05/03/2008 8:30:13 AM PDT by stlnative
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
"It is true that the blood of the Son of God was shed for sins through the fall and those committed by men, yet men can commit sins which it can never remit.... There are sins that can be atoned for by an offering upon an altar, as in ancient days; and there are sins that the blood of a lamb, or a calf, or of turtle dove, cannot remit, but they must be atoned for by the blood of the man."

More at the link.

27 posted on 05/03/2008 8:31:58 AM PDT by MizSterious (God bless the Texas Rangers for freeing women & children from sexual slavery and abuse.)
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To: MizSterious

Another ex-cult member speaks out.

In before the *she’s just got an axe to grind* crowd.


28 posted on 05/03/2008 8:33:28 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom; MizSterious

Too late again I see. Someone has already called her a liar, too.


29 posted on 05/03/2008 8:35:03 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

“And threats are not spillings or killings, either.”

These ‘threats’ are part of the reasons the children were removed. These ‘threats’ are a documented part of their lifestyle.

If men are running around threatening to kill their own family members who will not submit to the whims of Warren Jeffs, then the CPS needs to be called in to investigate.

Oh, wait, that’s what this is all about.


30 posted on 05/03/2008 8:36:20 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all posters)
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To: metmom

You have to be really, really quick....


31 posted on 05/03/2008 8:36:42 AM PDT by MizSterious (God bless the Texas Rangers for freeing women & children from sexual slavery and abuse.)
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To: stlnative

If that is a recent picture of sect members, forget the playboy appearance or lack there of issues - but I thought there were no older folks. People were running around insinuating that the old people were cast off and taking dirt naps. Seems to be a couple ladies in golden years there. Was it another hysterical myth making?


32 posted on 05/03/2008 8:37:26 AM PDT by commonguymd (Let the socialists duke it out. All three of them.)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

“When you make a statement like that you should back it up with examples. “

As far as you and I know, Ms. Chapman and Carolyn Jessop may have given some examples. Due to the need for investigation, and privacy rules, that info is not public.


33 posted on 05/03/2008 8:38:35 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all posters)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast; MizSterious; brytlea; metmom; Politicalmom
I’m not defending them,

No. you are just saying that all the evidence is fabricated, and all the witnesses are lying, and all circumstantial evidence was taken out of context. but you aren't defending them.

34 posted on 05/03/2008 8:40:55 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
Jon Krakauer’s book, Under the Banner of Heaven documents this quite well. See http://www.amazon.com/Under-Banner-Heaven-Story-Violent/dp/0385509510
35 posted on 05/03/2008 8:53:59 AM PDT by Nevadan (nevadan)
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To: commonguymd

“- but I thought there were no older folks.”

There may have been a few who thought, or believed that.

The general concensus was that there seemed to be an extremely limited amount of older folks, mainly confined to the male gender.

But, one older person being found in the compound, does prove they don’t kill, or banish, the ‘elderly’.

So, one case of child abuse is all that is needed to prove it exists, within the compound, and something must be done.

Going, by your logic.


36 posted on 05/03/2008 8:55:40 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all posters)
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To: MrEdd
No. you are just saying that all the evidence is fabricated, and all the witnesses are lying, and all circumstantial evidence was taken out of context. but you aren't defending them.

That's an outrageous accusation and totally false. I have never defended them here or anywhere, or claimed anyone was lying or misinterpreted. Do your homework before you go making a fool of yourself.

37 posted on 05/03/2008 8:59:33 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
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To: Nevadan

Thanks for the link, Nevadan. Too bad the news reporter didn’t provide it!

The comment I objected to, because it was not backed up with any examples or citations, appeared in a news report. Most people who read news reports do not even desire to read a book on the subject, merely to determine whether the speaker is talking out of his hiney or not. I guess I’ll have to, since the reporter didn’t do the fact checking that reporters are believed to have done in ancient times.


38 posted on 05/03/2008 9:03:45 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
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To: UCANSEE2

I quite agree, threats are sufficient grounds to conclude there’s a problem in there, worth investigating.
That isn’t what she said, and it wasn’t my point. I was commenting on the claim the woman made without backing it up.
Your subsequent post makes a good point I hadn’t heard before, there may be confidential information; but I rather doubt the reporter took the time to ask any probing questions.
I hold with my opinion that when one says cultists are ready to spill and kill, it is reasonable (as well as helpful to the reading public) to offer substantiation of the claim.


39 posted on 05/03/2008 9:11:20 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
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To: UCANSEE2

No, my logic does not look through the prism of guilt.


40 posted on 05/03/2008 9:12:13 AM PDT by commonguymd (Let the socialists duke it out. All three of them.)
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