Posted on 05/02/2008 7:27:48 PM PDT by ricks_place
The disturbing child abuse case unfolding in Texas raises difficult questions about two ideals we hold dear: Religious freedom and child safety.
The state of Texas has been criticized by church members, lawyers and civil liberties groups for removing all of the children from a polygamist compound following a raid by Child Protective Services.
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I think it is more amazing that Mormons claim the cultists aren’t Mormon but defend them nonetheless.
Maybe not a tank, but that appears to be an armored personnel carrier.
Maybe not a tank, but that appears to be an armored personnel carrier.
Exactly but not a damn tank as been falsely claimed on here and in some reports. Mucho difference between the two and their capabilities.
LOL!
Disinformation comes from both sides. The officials may have been armed but I have seen no evidence of guns drawn on children either. Not everyone in the sect was breaking the law nor were there just 25 boys removed. I just wait for the facts and think this case has larger implications both good and bad.
Disinformation comes from both sides.
Kinda human nature and the way the system works... Thus the more reason for the courts to try and decipher what the truth is......
Please, please show me these pictures & the guns. If you did maybe more of us, the ones who care about the children & sexually abused child brides would understand where you are coming from. As far as troopers being armed , why wouldn't they? Who knew if it would become a violent place. I have seen you cry over mobs before, would the FLDS attacking the LEO be different or alright?... You say people inside the ranch have pictures & IS this a FACT???...hmmm do you have info that maybe TX LEO needs? Or if you do have such damning pictures send them to the media! Just produce them please!!!
I don't have anything against the LDS. I don't dislike any religion . I don't think LDS are terrible people. I am interested in understanding but when you make wild claims it is hard to understand why you get so dramatic. Facts are facts & while I really wish I could say all those children rightfully belong to those FLDS members I can't. TX thinks that it is questionable...IMHO if CPS can come to my door & on a false call & go to my child's school & talk to her. Then come to my house & question me then why on earth should the FLDS not have to abide by the same rules??? If CPS came here & there was no abuse but saw something they deem harmful to my child , then they will take her. I would do whatever it took to get her back. People who have things to hide are the ones who refuse DNA, drug tests etc. My neighbor is NJ DYFS worker & she goes out on false calls all the time. If on a false calls she should say see drugs , her job is to call the cops. She has had to take cops with her to some houses for her safety. LEO have guns & I really doubt that FLDS children are so pure they have never seen a gun or a "mother" slapped around.
And I have one more question since its really been on my mind since I saw the FLDS women showing her home. Where is the master bedroom? I saw where mothers & children slept in same rooms, rooms where older girls slept but I never saw a room where a husband & "wife" slept or went to have sex. I did see double beds in rooms with the children & I hope that these people aren't waiting for the children to be asleep . Has anyone seen what we would call a Master bedroom?
Can't say as I've ever seen a trooper unarmed.
Domestic situations are the absolute worst for LEO. They're the ones where an officer is most likely to be shot and killed. It would be stupid beyond belief and suicidal to go in unarmed.
And here we see so many people criticizing the LEO for being armed, implying that it's Nazi tactics. This cult has a history and a violent one. Only an idiot would go into that situation to confront them about anything unarmed.
So why don't we hear any criticisms of the cult for having an manned, armed guard tower, 24/7?
It's the usual... if the cult does it, it's OK. If the government does it, it's jack booted thug Nazi tactics.
If the cult is armed, they're exercising their rights; if the government is armed they're Nazis.
If the cult rips apart families and takes children from their mothers, it's fabrications by disgruntled ex-cult members with an axe to grind. If the government takes children into protective custody, the Nazis are at it again.
If the cult robs people of their Constitutional rights, the cult defenders ignore that.
And people wonder why they're accused of being cult apologists. I guess if they can't see the hypocrisy of their double standard, they'll never see the rest either.
I agree with everything you’ve said. But there is still that one answer I want! Where are the master bedrooms??? That FLDS woman showing her house said here is where my mother sleeps with her children...Now was her “mother” too old for her “husband” so she had to sleep in with the children? Doesn’t anybody but me wonder where the bedroom for these husbands to have sex with their wives is in that house? It really has been bothering me. I would have thought on that tour she would have said & here is where my husband & I sleep.
BTTT
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695270749,00.html
“SAN ANGELO — Texas authorities entered the YFZ ranch last week armed with a search warrant, automatic weapons, SWAT teams, helicopters, dozens of law enforcement vehicles — including an armored personnel carrier — and were met with no resistance from the more than 600 residents of the polygamous community.”
Oh, excuse me, it was an “armored personnel carrier” - which of course is another way of saying A TANK.
“Please, please show me these pictures & the guns. “
Confiscated so people will not get nervous.
And you know this how? Who told you this? It is clear that you pretend to know something you are just making up. There is no way you could know that the FLDS took photos that were "Confiscated so people will not get nervous"
Sorry... but I can not believe that & besides you make no case. YOU said that FLDS or ranch people took photos..YOU knew there were guns on children & a tank!!! ..Now you are saying another thing. Give it up on the photos for now at least. WE just don’t believe you!!! Have a nice day! Pandy
Saundra Duffy; Confiscated so people will not get nervous.
How convenient. Alleged pictures that nobody sees to support something that allegedly happened but there's no proof for.
Where were the pictures developed, I wonder, and when? And by whom? And when were they confiscated and by whom?
The authorities first arrived on Thurs. with the first warrant and then came back on Fri with the second warrant. At what point in time were the pictures taken and when did they have time to get them developed and returned to the compound?
Were they confiscated during the second search? If so, presuming that the cult leaders were able to take pictures, somehow get them developed, why would they stupidly bring them back to the compound knowing the authorities were still there searching?
If they were taken digitally, then how were they confiscated? Why weren't they sent to somewhere off site for safe keeping, so they wouldn't be confiscated and then could be produced to support their statements?
If the pictures were confiscated by the authorities, when did they get the third warrant to go in and confiscate them? I never heard about that.
I'm having more than a little bit of trouble trying to believe something just on someone's sayso because all the evidence is disappearing, be it pictures or golden tablets. There's more holes in this alleged scenario than swiss cheese.
And how do YOU, Saundra, know that pictures were taken in the first place? What's your source?
Ping to post 56.
Details, details.....
Their mind is made up. Don't confuse them with the facts...
Saundra Duffy would have us believe that children were taken at gun point, authorities came into the compound in tanks and that there are pictures of these events that have mysteriously disappeared. These are delusions, plain and simple.
There is no vast anti-mormon conspiracy hiding these pictures, they don’t exist and never have. Next she will ask that we prove that they never existed. She’ll have us there because we can’t do it.
All you get to your questions are crickets
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