True, but suspicion is not the same as proof. I can be as suspicious as I want to be - but until you have solid proof, you should not be able to do anything.
One of the points of contention I see in these threads are the hate of the FLDS pitted against the conservative fear of a government that is growing out of control.
I find very little redeeming in the FLDS group; however before we do a blanket removal of all of the children, we should have solid, concrete evidence. This is not the case.
For example, less than 1/3 of the members in the FLDS faith practice polygamy - yet they are all grouped together. Would you dare propose that we go into Mexican or Black communities and use the same standard of 'justice', and remove every black or Mexican baby because their environment is conducive to drug use? NO, that would be absurd. But the gov't has gone in and seized 100% of the children from people who have only 1 thing in common, they go to the same church. By virtue of sharing a religion, they have all been deemed unfit parents.
While this may, or may not be true - the part that I fear is that once a power has been usurped by the gov't, it is never freely given back. Today, it's the FLDS - who is it tomorrow? Consider carefully,someone in your church may do something illegal and the gov't will have a precedent to go in to your church, find the membership records and take everyone's child. That is my fear. They take your kids, guilt is assumed. Now go and get a lawyer and go bankrupt trying to prove your innocence, and maybe the gov't will consider giving your kids back. Then again, maybe not.
I'm a patient person. If a crime has been committed, gather evidence, have a trial and a jury will determine guilt. However, a raid and one mass 21 hour over-night hearing on the fate of 463 children is simply insanity.
I'm gonna need a citation for that that does not come from an FLDS site or FLDS lawyer.
But the gov't has gone in and seized 100% of the children from people who have only 1 thing in common, they go to the same church. By virtue of sharing a religion, they have all been deemed unfit parents.
No. The children were removed because of pervasive evidence of law-breaking of a particular variety which lended credence to the idea that this was an unsafe environment for the children.
If a crime has been committed, gather evidence, have a trial and a jury will determine guilt.
That's what they're doing. As I've said before, you do not find, try and convict the arsonist before you put out the fire.
Pregnant minors is pretty concrete. It's not like injuries that there's a reasonable explanation for. You know any other way of getting pregnant that the usual?
For example, less than 1/3 of the members in the FLDS faith practice polygamy - yet they are all grouped together.
How do you know? You got sources on that?
By virtue of sharing a religion, they have all been deemed unfit parents.
No, by virtue of abusing children and lying to authorities to hinder the investigation, they have been deemed unfit parents. Of course, there's the slight complication of determining which adults are the biological parents of which children.
Consider carefully,someone in your church may do something illegal and the gov't will have a precedent to go in to your church, find the membership records and take everyone's child. That is my fear. They take your kids, guilt is assumed.
Consider carefully that that is hysteria. I don't live in a closed, isolated compound with the rest of the members of my church, trading wives, children, lying to LEO's about who's who. The scenarios are not even close and your *fear* is totally unfounded and without precedent.
For even saying such a thing reveals to all that you are a rapist who enjoys the thought of old men impregnating young girls.
Or at least that's what I was called.