Interview with Julia Gorin on Why She Supports the Serbs on Kosovo

In March of 1999, when there was suddenly talk of America bombing a European country, I became very suspicious. Particularly because the president was a clown named Bill Clinton who had gotten into trouble too many times. It was obvious to me that this was being done against national interest and in Bill Clinton’s interest. I couldn’t believe that this was actually going to happen, that it was unstoppable. Everything started to feel surreal; my husband and I were going through life day to day as if just existing, just going through the motions: shower, work, eat, sleep—but our souls were somewhere else. We were completely disoriented; it felt like the bottom fell out from under the earth and America was slipping away. I knew that this would come back to haunt America. I also knew that America had turned a very dark corner. The fact that our usually anti-war, mainstream Left supported this war was even more proof that this was probably very bad for America. Given that the person in the Oval Office spent his life working against American interests, I sensed there was something anti-American about this “war”.

I wrote my first article on the subject about one month into the unimaginable bombing, but because I still knew so little about the conflict, the article worked from the premise that it was just an ancient ethnic rivalry with moral equivalence between the two sides—certainly nothing like the “holocaust” it was being portrayed as. Soon it became apparent that we were bombing Christians on behalf of Muslims who were as usual claiming that they were being “oppressed”. That’s when my suspicions began to be confirmed.

I expected the farce of this war to be exposed at any second, and all the lies revealed—especially after the bombing, as the news reports coming from the region showed what the Albanians did next, such as moving on to Macedonia—like clockwork. But months passed by, and then years, and there was nothing. Not from the liberal media, and not from the right that usually distrusts the liberal media. Only from the radical Left was any reporting being done, and I realized that a great lie had been built around the Serbs. So as the silence about this recent “war” continued, I kept digging, and researching, and writing, and the truth got uglier and uglier with every stone I looked under. It became my mission to spread the truth. I thought that the trial of Milosevic would help; I expected it to be front-page news every day that it was happening, because it was called “the Second Nuremberg”. But there was silence even on that, so my interest in the subject intensified. It was a phenomenon unlike anything I’d ever seen. It was sometime in 2002 that this went from being about America and American security for me to being about the Serbs and the great injustice that they were the victims of—by America’s hand. At this point, it was still all about Kosovo for me; midway through the Milosevic trial it became evident that Kosovo was simply a repetition of what was done to the Serbs in Bosnia and Croatia.

Your voice is quite dissonant to what we hear on White House press conferences. What is your opinion on US policy on Balkans? Is there a hidden agenda?

What started out as simple non-understanding of the region, aided by a paranoia of post-Soviet “communism”, and the paid-for disinformation being disseminated by Croats, Bosnians and Albanians, has turned into a hidden agenda by now for America and the West—because we realized in around 2000 that we “really stuck our foot in it.” But foreign policy is very forward-moving; it never stops to look back and reassess and change course. It only says, “Ok, we screwed up here, shouldn’t have done this. But now that we did, how do we make it work for us?” So that’s where you get all the geostrategic, geopolitical, long-term conspiracy flavor to the whole thing. America is responding to the threat of violence by Albanians, but sees a benefit to having a “pro-American” Muslim population—even if the pro-American people are gangsters.

Truthfully, there was a long-term, dastardly plan on the part of some interested operatives, but things like Clinton’s 1999 war literally fell into their laps; everyone was surprised by it. It wasn’t part of “the plan”, but it certainly fit very nicely into an ongoing pattern. There is what I would call a “cosmic” conspiracy against Serbia, with no earthly command center that’s neatly pulling all the strings. It all seems to come together on its own, thanks to a convergence of common interests between government, media, military, humanitarian organizations, NGOs, and even artists and archivists. Although early in the German reunification, there were high-level people who attempted to implement precisely the grand plan for which I say there is no command center. But too many unexplainable things have been done by other countries and unrelated parties to forward that agenda—often by American policy makers who don’t even know there was a “grand plan” but who are either indebted to Albanian money; terrified of Albanians; covering up that the U.S. made a gross historical mistake; have a long-nurtured, biased hostility to Serbia; or simply are guilty of buying into the disinformation that 99% of the rest of the world bought into.

I answered a related question this way: Starting with Bush Sr., we were sold on PR propaganda, and mentally we were still in the Cold War. Clinton used the bombing of Serbia to distract everyone from his numerous scandals and to leave a legacy. The current president Bush, because of his desire to appease Muslims, has made the Serbs expendable, like other leaders before him. Because Serbia is not a threat to Americans but is a natural partner for security, it’s a safe sacrifice to throw under the train in order to try to make friends out of dangerous people and natural enemies.

I believe that the opinion of the American public is shaped by the most influential media, such as CNN, Fox etcetera. Needless to say, Serbs enjoy quite a bad reputation in those media. Are US Administration’s policy and opinion of the American public on the same page when it comes to Serbia?

Yes, see No. 1 above. But to add to that, the media has its own dirty secrets in the Balkans, crimes as co-belligerents, as Peter Brock calls them in his book Media Cleansing, which made it not only complicit with government policies in the Balkans, but even the stimulus for those policies. The government knows that the corporate media have their own skeletons to hide in the closet, and so our policy makers and bureaucrats easily rely on the media’s silence while they continue to operate in the shadows. This keeps the public purposefully and permanently confused. The only thing we’re starting to see a little bit of in the way of media change is that many from the 90s have retired, and new reporters are out there, so the agenda to keep the truth hidden isn’t as stiff and scripted, and some truth is leaking out. For this new crop of journalists, the barrier has more to do with guilt in questioning the official truth, and the difficulty and confusion of working from the wrong premise, since they don’t have any background or understanding of their own in this region but still have to write about it. So the truth will be slow coming, as the new journalists deconstruct and reverse a long-term brainwashing not only of the public but of themselves. It also requires working through their own confusion and intellectual laziness.

American presidential elections are just around the corner. It does sound oversimplified, but Democrats bombed us in 1999., and Republicans gave Kosovo independence. Who should Serbian Diaspora in US support this time?

It’s hard to say who Serbs should support in the American election, since for Serbs there is really no America. The only candidate out of the three freaks who are running, who does not have Serbian blood on his hands is Barack Obama—but that’s only because he hasn’t gotten the chance. Besides, Obama is not much of an option anyway. On the other hand, America needs a wake-up call to its own multi-culturalist nightmare, just as Europe has had. So since things always seem to have to get worse before they get better, a Barack Obama presidency could be a better shake-up for American thought and politics than another 9/11. Personally, I’m going to vote only for state and local candidates, and skip the vote for president. I can’t morally go on record with a vote for any of the three.

I answered a related question in a Vesti interview this way: Unfortunately, most Republicans forgot that Republicans in Congress opposed Clinton’s 1999 bombing of Serbia by more than nine to one. They even forgot that it was a Clinton war. So since conservatives moved on and didn’t dwell on the war once it was “over”, the people who still had a vested interest in how it turned out (as well as pressure from paying Albanians)—Holbrooke, Albright, Lantos, Dole, Clark, McCain, Engel, Lieberman, all the Soros NGOs—these were the people who stayed on top of the situation, guiding it to make sure things continued in the same direction. They served as the keepers of the narrative, and when the Republican administration needed a compass on Kosovo (and Macedonia) after ignoring it for as long as possible, the administration turned to the people who did care and who were active and interested in the region—the above-named architects and “experts” of our disastrous policies there. So the Democratic position became the default Republican position.

Not only that being a Serb is hard enough, speaking for Serbs is quite a struggle as well. What kind of problems are you facing because of your strong determination to spread the truth about Balkan conflicts?

There are occasional threats from Croats and Albanians. Also, I’ve had some people with more successful careers tell me that I’m not doing myself any favors professionally by taking this side on this issue, but my career never really went anywhere anyway, so I don’t believe I’m losing anything by handling this issue. But I did encounter nothing but resistance when I wanted to write about this for big magazines and newspapers; everyone turned away from the topic—until now, because it’s in the headlines again. But still no one wants to publish that the Serbs didn’t do what they’re blamed for. I’ve also been accused of racism, for example when I explained that it is not a coincidence that four of the people behind the Fort Dix massacre plot were Albanian. I also ran into trouble with some public relations officers at Camp Bondsteel, who tried to disprove my accusations about the “mission” in Kosovo. They tried to paint me as being anti-soldier, and as crying “wolf” over nothing.

Albanian lobby is one of the strongest in US. It seems that Serbs stand no fighting chance against narco-dollars. What would be your recommendation on how to improve our position? Is it too late to turn the tide and win the propaganda war?

It should really have become a lot easier after 9/11, but apparently the West is too wedded to the official narrative it laid down in the 90s. Still, Serbs do have the Christians vs. Muslims thing going for them, which is what caused many members of the American public—with no help from the media or government, of course—to scratch their heads after 9/11 as to why we helped Muslims over Christians in Bosnia and Kosovo. Serbs need to talk to the people behind HonestReporting.com. That is a very effective tool to combat propaganda. The American Council for Kosovo is a nice start, but there needs to be either more money behind it or more organizations like it. It does seem that Serbs aren’t as vigilant about telling their story the way the other Balkan players are in telling their lies. A lot more money goes into the lies than into the truth. Israel for many years faced a similar situation—thinking that good versus bad would be easily apparent. Instead of narco Albanian dollars, Arabs pumped oil money into the PR until finally, and only recently, Israel started getting the truth out.

Making concessions to the West only leads to the next kick in the teeth for Serbia, and gives yet another precedent to base the next kick on. Unfortunately, the US has forced Serbia into a predicament where only Russia is in a position to defend the Serbs. And this is coming from a Russophobe who doesn’t like even one thing about Russia. Of course, any relationship with Russia comes with its own price, but the Serbs know this. Serbs shouldn’t sell out for EU membership, which in the end could merely officialize its subservience to larger powers.

First of all, only a fraction of countries are recognizing Kosovo independence. Many others are seeing it as a problem.

The reason that you can’t give up is that God visibly helps those who don’t give up. It’s at the point where all seems hopeless (as with the Biblical Job) that God makes himself known. I know he’s been trying to give America a clue: the very year before independence was to be “decided” on (2008), the first clue came in the form of a Bosnian jihadist shooting nine Americans in the heartland–in Salt Lake City, Utah. Less than three months later, the next clue came: four Albanians were arrested for plotting to massacre American soldiers at Ft. Dix. Additional clue: one of those Albanians had been sheltered at Ft. Dix when he was being resettled from Kosovo in 1999. Unfortunately, America didn’t heed the clues; the U.S. likes to pay attention only after maximal damage, so we’re apparently waiting for a bigger clue. But when God sees men pursuing the right path and remembering that he is with them, he drops not only Divine clues, but Divine intervention. He will help the Serbs as long as there are Serbs who are helping themselves. And there will be painful blessings in disguise that will work to steer America back on course even as it tries to steer itself toward the Axis of Evil that Bush decried before he joined it.

This is the Year of the Rat, according to the Chinese calendar. I looked up the Year of the Rat, to see what its significance is, and I found this: “Chaos.”

Indeed, America has the worst candidates in history running for leader of the no-longer-free world (‘no longer free’ is a reference to the Islamic infiltration of Western nations and therefore widespread censorship). And this is happening with a very undetermined election (when was the last time things were this unclear in American politics?). We have every separatist group on the planet now talking about independence, thanks to the Kosovo model—which came to fruition in the Year of the Rat. And most symbolically, we have the Olympics taking place in China in the year of chaos. This is a repetition of the historical mistake of holding the 1936 Olympics in Germany. Guess what 1936 was: "the Year of the Rat". In other words, all hell breaks loose this year, and when that happens certain truths are illuminated and God’s Hand becomes visible.

most Republicans forgot that Republicans in Congress opposed Clinton’s 1999 bombing of Serbia by more than nine to one. They even forgot that it was a Clinton war...

And I like this line:

The reason that you can’t give up is that God visibly helps those who don’t give up. It’s at the point where all seems hopeless (as with the Biblical Job) that God makes himself known.

And I can't argue with this:

America has the worst candidates in history running for leader of the no-longer-free world (‘no longer free’ is a reference to the Islamic infiltration of Western nations and therefore widespread censorship).

"Interesting article. I had always assumed that she was part Serbian due to her last name which sounded somewhat like an Eastern European name."

Julia is Jewish, born in Russia and came to the US when she was three years old. She is, as she mentioned, a real Russophobe.

And no Serbian heritage -- she said that she never even had "a Serb friend" until about a year ago.

most Republicans forgot that Republicans in Congress opposed Clinton’s 1999 bombing of Serbia by more than nine to one. They even forgot that it was a Clinton war...

And yet they now remain silent when one of their own in the Oral Office pursues the same bad policy. This is definitive proof that when the President has the magic "R" after his name, his party's members will follow almost any policy...no matter how bad. (Ponder that as you consider whether or not to vote for a member of the GOP or for a conservative for President this November.)

As Ms. Gorin points out, there are some morons out there who attempt to paint those who condemn the US government’s support of the Jihadist state of Kosovo as being anti-soldier.

But such people are worthy enough to lick the soles of her shoes.

"I might also burn the US flag if I was a citizen of Serbia, but I’m not. I’m an American."

Yet you have enough empathy to say at least that much.

We used to teach "empathy" in America. It was imbued by our Christian values and the Golden Rule. It was part of our society's value system and commanded respect, independent of whether or not a specific individual was "religious", the society was. And it was also this "empathetic society" that voted in presidents, and voted them out, who supported or opposed wars based both on the value and sacrifice of those wars. "Doing unto others as we would have them do unto us" was a given in every debate, although we argued over what exactly that meant to us politically, back then.

But we, for the most part, are no longer that same empathetic society -- especially in foreign policy. Do we think that the Golden Rule doesn't apply to us anymore because we are "Americans"? This isn't "America-hating" or "America-bashing", Joe -- it's a question that is troubling me.

You can question my "loyalty to America" if you want, but I will tell you this: I love my country -- and there is no other "country" in competition for that love. America is my home. But if I am forced to chose between "loyalty to America" and "loyalty to God & His Commandments", then that is no choice at all for any American to be asked to make!

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