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Getting to Know John McCain
Wall Street Journal ^ | 30 April 2008 | Karl Rove

Posted on 04/30/2008 10:30:39 AM PDT by shrinkermd

...As we ate near the Days' home in Florida recently, I heard things about Sen. McCain that were deeply moving and politically troubling. Moving because they told me things about him the American people need to know. And troubling because it is clear that Mr. McCain is one of the most private individuals to run for president in history.

...Mr. Day relayed to me one of the stories Americans should hear. It involves what happened to him after escaping from a North Vietnamese prison during the war. When he was recaptured, a Vietnamese captor broke his arm and said, "I told you I would make you a cripple."

The break was designed to shatter Mr. Day's will. He had survived in prison on the hope that one day he would return to the United States and be able to fly again. To kill that hope, the Vietnamese left part of a bone sticking out of his arm...[McCain re-set the arm]

...Another McCain story, somewhat better known, is about the Vietnamese practice of torturing him by tying his head between his ankles with his arms behind him, and then leaving him for hours. The torture so badly busted up his shoulders that to this day Mr. McCain can't raise his arms over his head.

Mr. Day recalls with pride Mr. McCain stubbornly refusing to accept special treatment or curry favor to be released early, even when gravely ill. "He wasn't corruptible then," Mr. Day says, "and he's not corruptible today."

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


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To: TigersEye

Well, POTUS signed it and the SCOTUS said it was Constitutional. You will have to change the mind of Congress, POTUS and SCOTUS to achieve your belief. Not much chance, I’d say.


21 posted on 04/30/2008 12:02:42 PM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd
Seems like if you don't hate the illegals, you aren't a conservative.

That is intellectually dishonest too and intentionally divisive. Intentionally mis-framing the motives of those you disagree with is how Al Sharpton, Je$$e Jackson and other lefties operate. It's a sure sign your position can't stand up to scrutiny.

22 posted on 04/30/2008 12:04:46 PM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin 1936. Olympics for murdering regimes. Beijing 2008.)
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To: shrinkermd

Let’s keep up a good fight against McCain at least until he is selected to make an acceptance speech at the convention. He has a lot of problems, including national security and integrity.

Politics is the art of compromise and leadership is the art of principle. Lincoln used superb political skills to implement some of the most cogent and insightful principles to guide this nation. McCain has used political skills to implement compromises consistent with increasing personal acclaim among liberal media and politicians.

The former is dead and the latter is alive, but dead to principles unrelated to his immediate personal advancement. Since leadership is absent from the Democrat and Republican Parties, each individual must make a way to manage commitment to principle and political party affiliation. Each individual must answer questions as to what extent, under what circumstances and when, if ever, do you forsake conservative principles to align with an enemy of your beliefs against a greater enemy of your beliefs?

John McCain lacks leadership for the War on Terror. His leadership codified the Army interrogation manual making terrorists legal combatants. His leadership granted terrorists American citizenship rights under Fifth, Eighth and Fourteenth Amendments. He thereby ensures information vital to defeat terrorists remains sacred and unobtainable. Terrorists are unresponsive to direct questioning and psychological gambits. Therefore, interrogators need all stress and coercion techniques our military encounters in survival schools. McCain embraces liberal orthodoxy considering those methods torture, but his searing experiences call forth contrary insights he must suppress.

McCain especially understands terrorists are not insurgents or freedom fighters; when captured, certainly not prisoners of war. They are not armed forces, militias, or volunteer corps of any country or authority. These killers are not members of organized resistance movements carrying arms openly. They have no distinctive identifier. Terrorists cannot even qualify as spies or saboteurs destroying infrastructure required to support military operations. McCain understands Geneva Conventions intended to isolate such forces, provide them no protections, and allow destruction with any overwhelming furies needed to crush their abominations.

McCain especially appreciates that laws guaranteeing civil liberties presuppose operation within an invincible society. The Federal government’s primary responsibility is to pursue Alexander Hamilton’s admonition that powers exist without limitation; providing capabilities thwarting dangers as well as repelling attacks. McCain understands powerful warfare capabilities require potent intelligence acquisition and exploitation before and during campaigns.

The framers of our constitution and the Geneva Conventions held powerful positions throughout the darkest times of our country and the world. They were our Founding Fathers, and parents and grandparents of the Greatest Generation. Their words expressed durable morality earned in our fight for freedom, and against the ultimate bloody deluge of the 20th century. These first generations expressed principles derived from confronting shattering tragedies, and earning peace through victory. John McCain’s actions are particularly reprehensible because he turns a blind eye to the council of these people.

McCain continually seeks popular advancement by placating those coveting luxurious morality requiring shelter from hard choices and danger awareness. His crime is repudiating military and intelligence professionals facing hard choices when confronting shrewd, ruthless enemies obscured behind frightening uncertainties.

John McCain succumbed to the terrible addiction of political power. The same addiction expressed itself differently in fellow Navy officer Randy Cunningham, who was the Navy’s first Vietnam ace. Over the decades the honor and moral authority of both were gradually traded away for influence in the political arena. To me McCain is like a cadaver prepared for viewing. The removal of blood and organs equates to the trading away of honor and moral authority. The reputation that remains is like the cosmetics applied for viewing the corpse at the funeral. It is easy for anyone to get onto the same sort of gently downward sloping path. The final result is tragic, but we do not need a modern day Macbeth or Hamlet as President.


23 posted on 04/30/2008 12:07:35 PM PDT by Retain Mike
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To: shrinkermd

That doesn’t change my mind or the mind’s of conservatives. We know what CFR is even if the POTUS (who condemned it in spite of signing it) or the SCOTUS don’t. That is just a weak “but the other kids all do it” argument.


24 posted on 04/30/2008 12:14:39 PM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin 1936. Olympics for murdering regimes. Beijing 2008.)
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To: TigersEye

Thank you. That should be standard posting in any “McCain” thread.


25 posted on 04/30/2008 12:15:55 PM PDT by MBB1984
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To: Retain Mike

Amen—one of the best opinions I have seen yet!


26 posted on 04/30/2008 12:20:43 PM PDT by Snoopers-868th
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To: shrinkermd
Please, we all know that McCain was a moderate/conservative before 2000. That is the only reason his lifetime rating is 80. However, his 2006 rating was 65, a F. Since 2000 he has moved steadily to Soro’s leftist beat.

If you don't believe in enforcing immigration laws, you are indeed a multicultural leftist, which apparently you are.

27 posted on 04/30/2008 12:22:18 PM PDT by MBB1984
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To: MBB1984

You’re welcome. I used to post the whole thing on every McCain thread until he became the presumptive nominee. Now I just post a link every now and then and even less often the whole post.


28 posted on 04/30/2008 12:23:22 PM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin 1936. Olympics for murdering regimes. Beijing 2008.)
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I cannot begin to imagine the horrors Senator McCain and the others endured while under torture in the Hanoi Hilton. That Mr. Day and Senator McCain survived and came home to have productive lives is a testament to the strength of their souls. They humble me.


29 posted on 04/30/2008 12:30:17 PM PDT by navymom1 (I support the troops and their mission.)
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To: shrinkermd

“Seems like if you don’t hate the illegals, you aren’t a conservative.”

It’s not about hate, sir. It’s about lawbreakers, both illegals and those who hire them, destroying this country.


30 posted on 04/30/2008 12:55:47 PM PDT by El Gran Salseron ("Terisn" is my new favorite word. Thank you, Allegra.)
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To: shrinkermd

“The American Conservative Union gives him a lifetime rating of 83/100 and last year 80/100. Still the xenophobes claim he is not a conservative.”

Yes, I know about those numbers. On the main points that conservatives hold dear, however, McCain is a socialist.


31 posted on 04/30/2008 12:57:59 PM PDT by El Gran Salseron ("Terisn" is my new favorite word. Thank you, Allegra.)
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To: shrinkermd

Thanks for the excellent post, shrinkermd.

And never mind the haters on the site.

They mew, “...but, I respect his military service.”

Like hell, they do. LIKE HELL, THEY DO.

(It wasn’t just mere “service” by McCain, Bud O’Day and the others through all those years in the torture chambers of the Hanoi Hilton.)

Keyboard warrior purists and priests-of-the-ideology (self-anointed): a flock of strutting-chattering hens...they flutter on and on and on...


32 posted on 04/30/2008 1:00:31 PM PDT by mtntop3
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To: navymom1

The Hanoi Hilton years will always be, indeed, a testament to the strength of their souls.

We should ALL be humbled at the accounts. These men were HEROIC.

Thank you for your thoughtful words - and surely for the service of your son.


33 posted on 04/30/2008 1:11:59 PM PDT by mtntop3
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To: shrinkermd
Like Rush, some of the FR posters are still angry about Senator McCain cosponsoring an amnesty bill with Senator Kennedy. Seems like if you don't hate the illegals, you aren't a conservative.

I don't think people who aren't drinking the McKoolaid actually hate illegals. I don't hate them, I simply want them to play by the rules.

Then, on the other hand, there are those conservatives still mad about McCain-Feingold. I guess they believe there isn't enough money in politics.

Dude, McCain-Feingold is one of the worst incursions on the 1st Amendment ever to come down the pike. It isn't about money in politics, it's about free speech. Notice that I didn't say, "It's about free speech, stupid," which, although it would make a great bumper sticker, it's rude to suggest that you are stupid. With rights come responsibilities, so, I'm refraining from name calling.

The American Conservative Union gives him a lifetime rating of 83/100 and last year 80/100. Still the xenophobes claim he is not a conservative.

Citing at his ACU lifetime average is misleading. This is like saying that XYZ stock has a lifetime average of $100/a share. So what? What is it trading at today? Look at his current trends--much lower, certainly not in the 80's.

34 posted on 04/30/2008 1:33:35 PM PDT by MaggieCarta (Disobedience is in our DNA. - Charlton Heston)
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To: TigersEye

Thank you for posting the link.


35 posted on 04/30/2008 1:42:44 PM PDT by MaggieCarta (Disobedience is in our DNA. - Charlton Heston)
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To: MaggieCarta
I think you should listen to Rush more often. He now denies he wants to deport the 12 million illegals now here. He has no solution to the problem except words. Neither do you.

While you are listening to Rush trash an American Hero, remember Rush escaped military service because he had a pilonidal cyst among other things. Liberals who portray Rush as a pain-in-the-A$$ are more accurate than they think. Rush is a great conservative, entertainer but, occasionally, he plays to the peanut brain, conservative gallery who believe conservative=consumed with rage.

What is it Shakespeare said? Maybe, “...they jest at the scar who never felt the wound...” Go find a more authentic, unpretentious war hero who serves in Congress if you can.

Just as campaign finance reform was passed by Congress, signed by POTUS and upheld by the SCOTUS, you will find, after the election, some rational solution to the illegal problem forthcoming from Congress. Regardless who is President they will sign it. Regardless who is on the SCOTUS, they will uphold it.

All that will be left to do is for you and those that agree with you to trash heroes who have enough compassion to see an unpopular issue to its necessary conclusion.

In the meantime thank God for Senator McCain and veterans like him and God speed to their efforts.

36 posted on 04/30/2008 1:56:17 PM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd; MaggieCarta
I think you should listen to Rush more often. He now denies he wants to deport the 12 million illegals now here. He has no solution to the problem except words. Neither do you.

You're still not being honest. Rush has never proposed deporting all illegal aliens. It is also not true that he has no solution. His solution is the same one I and other FReepers have insisted on for years.

Deport on contact. (IOWs whenever they are found in routine LE work.)

Enforce the laws on the books. (IOWs impose fines and incarceration on employers and do it vigorously.)

Close the border.

Do those things and the jobs dry up. Dry up the jobs and the illegals deport themselves.

37 posted on 04/30/2008 2:38:21 PM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin 1936. Olympics for murdering regimes. Beijing 2008.)
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To: MaggieCarta
Look at his current trends--much lower, certainly not in the 80's.

McCain's current ACU rating is 65.

38 posted on 04/30/2008 2:40:42 PM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin 1936. Olympics for murdering regimes. Beijing 2008.)
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To: TigersEye

Are you aware that deportation is a civil, not a criminal action? Further, are you aware it presently it can take years to proceed through the deportation system? And are you aware, that during that time the potential deportee is left in the country such that when the trial finally comes he or she is often not available?

You not only don’t have a solution, you don’t even have an idea how difficult your words are to implement. Your words mean nothing because your idea of action is impossible or impractical—take your pick.


39 posted on 04/30/2008 2:52:07 PM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: TigersEye
McCain's current ACU rating is 65.

Much obliged, TigersEye.

40 posted on 04/30/2008 3:14:32 PM PDT by MaggieCarta (Disobedience is in our DNA. - Charlton Heston)
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