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Getting to Know John McCain
Wall Street Journal ^ | 30 April 2008 | Karl Rove

Posted on 04/30/2008 10:30:39 AM PDT by shrinkermd

...As we ate near the Days' home in Florida recently, I heard things about Sen. McCain that were deeply moving and politically troubling. Moving because they told me things about him the American people need to know. And troubling because it is clear that Mr. McCain is one of the most private individuals to run for president in history.

...Mr. Day relayed to me one of the stories Americans should hear. It involves what happened to him after escaping from a North Vietnamese prison during the war. When he was recaptured, a Vietnamese captor broke his arm and said, "I told you I would make you a cripple."

The break was designed to shatter Mr. Day's will. He had survived in prison on the hope that one day he would return to the United States and be able to fly again. To kill that hope, the Vietnamese left part of a bone sticking out of his arm...[McCain re-set the arm]

...Another McCain story, somewhat better known, is about the Vietnamese practice of torturing him by tying his head between his ankles with his arms behind him, and then leaving him for hours. The torture so badly busted up his shoulders that to this day Mr. McCain can't raise his arms over his head.

Mr. Day recalls with pride Mr. McCain stubbornly refusing to accept special treatment or curry favor to be released early, even when gravely ill. "He wasn't corruptible then," Mr. Day says, "and he's not corruptible today."

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"...Another story I heard over dinner with the Days involved Mr. McCain serving as one of the three chaplains for his fellow prisoners. At one point, after being shuttled among different prisons, Mr. Day had found himself as the most senior officer at the Hanoi Hilton. So he tapped Mr. McCain to help administer religious services to the other prisoners.

Today, Mr. Day, a very active 83, still vividly recalls Mr. McCain's sermons. "He remembered the Episcopal liturgy," Mr. Day says, "and sounded like a bona fide preacher." One of Mr. McCain's first sermons took as its text Luke 20:25 and Matthew 22:21, "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's." Mr. McCain said he and his fellow prisoners shouldn't ask God to free them, but to help them become the best people they could be while serving as POWs. It was Caesar who put them in prison and Caesar who would get them out. Their task was to act with honor.

1 posted on 04/30/2008 10:30:39 AM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd

“I heard things about Sen. McCain that were deeply moving and politically troubling.”

That actually sums up McCain for me in a nutshell.

Not that I have a whole lot of choice this election.


2 posted on 04/30/2008 10:32:28 AM PDT by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender!)
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To: shrinkermd
McLaim was a weasle when he was a kid and is a weasle now..
A bone deep weasle cannot be trusted out of sight..
The heart of a scorpion and black widow..
He is WORSE than a democrat..
3 posted on 04/30/2008 10:39:57 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: hosepipe

You should read the article.


4 posted on 04/30/2008 10:47:41 AM PDT by samtheman
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[ You should read the article. ]

I did.. thats why my 2 cents was "needed"..

5 posted on 04/30/2008 10:51:02 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: hosepipe

“McLaim was a weasle when he was a kid and is a weasle now..”

Say what you want about Sen McCain, but the man served his country honorably under horrible circumstances. I may not agree with his politics, but I will never denigrate his military service.


6 posted on 04/30/2008 10:51:06 AM PDT by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: samtheman

I did read the article..... so he was an exemplary prisoner. He helped his fellow inmates. He did not try to escape (as was his duty). He may be a veteran ... and I honor his service. However his past performance over the past 10 years show that he is a liberal. He is not a conservative. He is a republican, and he is changing his stance on government run health care. In summation the only difference between him and hillary is the R after his name.


7 posted on 04/30/2008 10:53:34 AM PDT by SouthernBoyupNorth ("For my wings are made of Tungsten, my flesh of glass and steel..........")
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To: SouthernBoyupNorth

If it’s McCain + a Conservative VP, I’ll vote McCain.

If it’s McCain vs. Obama, I’ll vote McCain.

If it’s McCain + RINO vs. Hillary, I might just sit it out.


9 posted on 04/30/2008 11:00:01 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: SouthernBoyupNorth
so he was an exemplary prisoner
He wasn't an exemplary PRISONER, you numb-skull. He was an exemplary AMERICAN.

How demeaning of you to say that. I don't have to ask if you could have done the same. Your nasty words speak for themselves and the answer is NO.

10 posted on 04/30/2008 11:05:29 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: SouthernBoyupNorth

I agree. It isn’t McCain’s history in the military and as a POW that I disagree with. That is fine, but it is no reason to elect a man president. After all, Reagan and our current president never saw combat, some successful presidents never served in the military, George HW Bush (unsuccessful) was a war hero, and Carter (very unsuccesful) is a graduate of Annapolis, though I believe he never saw combat.

What I disagree with is McCain’s current and recent positions on crucial issues like immigration, free speech, and loyalty to Conservative values.

That is why I can Never vote for this man.


11 posted on 04/30/2008 11:09:02 AM PDT by FFranco
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To: SouthernBoyupNorth

My position on this is McCain is a war hero and served our country well. Has dedicated his life to public service.

So what!

My concern is the issues, not 40 years ago. What direction will he take the country?

I will not vote for a person based on the war hero line if they are an ardent Socialists, just isn’t goning to happen.

Much better to vote FOR Hillery and fight her in the Congress then him and not be able to fight him at all.

I was almost to the point of considering him until his outburst last week at the NC GOP.

My question to everyone who supports McCain is why hasn’t he jumped out at the DNC over their recent ad?

I must think it is becasue he doesn’t want to offend his liberal friends.

If McCain wants my vote he’ll have to get it the old fashioned way, EARN IT.

I do not think he will appoint conservative judges to overturn McCain/Feingold.

He is against drilling Anwar, thinking golbal warming is real.


12 posted on 04/30/2008 11:14:44 AM PDT by stockpirate (Be a MAVERICK in the GOP , go against the wishes of our nominee John McCain!)
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"Much better to vote FOR Hillery and fight her in the Congress then him and not be able to fight him at all."

Congress is not our friend .. hasn't been for some time .. and it looks even less friendly next year.

What makes you think there will be LESS of an X42 machine should they get in the White House? X42 will sack any and everyone not a signee to the kneepad coalition.

A Marxist and an uber Marxist are still Marxist.

I fear we may be needed on Lexington Green.

No, I really do.

13 posted on 04/30/2008 11:29:11 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: knarf

My friend all three of them embrace Marx to some degree, Karl not Harpo.

And I hear what you are saying, but we are not there yet.

With a Democrat as POTUS, we would need to push republicans to stall everything.

If it were McCain, the R’s in congress couldn’t stand up against the party, McCain would reach acrooss the ailse and sell us down the river.


14 posted on 04/30/2008 11:33:05 AM PDT by stockpirate (Be a MAVERICK in the GOP , go against the wishes of our nominee John McCain!)
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To: shrinkermd
Like Rush, some of the FR posters are still angry about Senator McCain cosponsoring an amnesty bill with Senator Kennedy. Seems like if you don't hate the illegals, you aren't a conservative.

Then, on the other hand, there are those conservatives still mad about McCain-Feingold. I guess they believe there isn't enough money in politics.

The American Conservative Union gives him a lifetime rating of 83/100 and last year 80/100. Still the xenophobes claim he is not a conservative.

15 posted on 04/30/2008 11:45:40 AM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd
We do know a lot about McCain the politician.
16 posted on 04/30/2008 11:50:04 AM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin 1936. Olympics for murdering regimes. Beijing 2008.)
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Then, on the other hand, there are those conservatives still mad about McCain-Feingold. I guess they believe there isn't enough money in politics.

That is intellectually dishonest. The fact that CFR (McCain/Feingold) restricts free political speech (that pesky 1st Amendment thing) is what bothers conservatives. That has been reiterated so many thousands of times it can't have been missed.

Then there are those who recognize the undeniable fact that there is more money in politics now because of McCain/Feingold and it's used with less accountability.

17 posted on 04/30/2008 11:58:20 AM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin 1936. Olympics for murdering regimes. Beijing 2008.)
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To: SouthernBoyupNorth
However his past performance over the past 10 years show that he is a liberal. He is not a conservative. However his past performance over the past 10 years show that he is a liberal. He is not a conservative.

Whatever label he gets hung with, I have far more confidence in McCain as Commander-in-Chief when difficult decisions will need to be made on Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan than I do in Clinton or Obama. Domestic social issues are important, no doubt, but too many people seem to have forgotten that we are at war - not just in Iraq, but against radical Islamists worldwide.
18 posted on 04/30/2008 11:58:34 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: shrinkermd

“Seems like if you don’t hate the illegals, you aren’t a conservative.”

How about if you just want the damned law enforced, you race baiter?


19 posted on 04/30/2008 11:58:40 AM PDT by Grunthor (Which is more transparent, John McCains Styrofoam humility or Barack Obamas polyester sincerity?)
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To: hosepipe

“He is WORSE than a democrat.. “
worse than Barack “USofKKKA” Obama
i hardly think so
what are you a troll?


20 posted on 04/30/2008 12:02:23 PM PDT by DM1
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