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... it's bullying and intrusiveness that are making us a bad neighbor.

What an utterly stupid comment.

Bad neighbor? We're stuck with millions of Mexico's castoffs and we need to shove this scum of society back across that border!

1 posted on 04/30/2008 5:15:30 AM PDT by fweingart
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As long as U.S. employers have jobs that Americans won't fill,

Something's missing here...

As long as U.S. employers have jobs that Americans won't fill at third-world wages,

That's better!

I guess these pinheads can't be bothered to research the fact that the unemployment rate in Oklahoma dropped a full percentage point after that state passed severe restrictions and penalties on hiring illegal aliens. Amazing how Americans DID take those jobs once employers could no longer fill them with cheap illegal labor.

2 posted on 04/30/2008 5:18:47 AM PDT by dirtboy
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Fence won't make good neighbors (Mexico will never be a friend of ours.)

Mexico never was a friend. They just happened to have the good luck to have a real nation develop right next to it they can leach off of.

3 posted on 04/30/2008 5:20:33 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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Like people in Florida know a damn thing about walls or which species might be effected.

They’re mouth-pieces for the OBL. STFU!


4 posted on 04/30/2008 5:26:19 AM PDT by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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OUR OPINION: NO OFFICIAL SHOULD HAVE SUCH POWER TO IGNORE U.S. LAW

MY OPINION: NO CRIMINAL ILLEGAL ALIEN BORDER AND IMMIGRATION LAW VIOLATOR SHOULD HAVE SUCH POWER TO IGNORE U.S. LAW.

We should ship them to the border and force them back into mexico at gunpoint in front of TV cameras that can be viewed from any computer that has internet access.

5 posted on 04/30/2008 5:26:36 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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The fence causes environmental damage, and placing the fence violates the property rights of those landowners at the border?

The border area is a brownfields location already, with the continuous trampling by ignorant peasants (yes, PEASANTS, like in the days of medieval England and France), who with little regard of either their environmental impact or the property rights of those whose lands they are crossing with seeming impunity, are already doing much more damage than the fence ever would.

Building a fence STOPS the traffic across that particular stretch. The obvious solution that problem would be taken by the border-jumpers, who would then go to some point BEYOND the end of the fence, and cross there, where there is no physical barrier.

Even a hog knows that much.


6 posted on 04/30/2008 5:29:42 AM PDT by alloysteel ("Why can't I just eat my waffle?" BHO, Jr, 's response to reporter's questions)
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To: Liz; Calpernia; calcowgirl; indylindy; AuntB
OUR OPINION: NO OFFICIAL SHOULD HAVE SUCH POWER TO IGNORE U.S. LAW

Now, any and every Mexican ever born, on the other hand...

7 posted on 04/30/2008 5:31:09 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (If McCain really CAN "win without conservatives," then why do you care if I vote for him or not?)
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I see they rely on the old argument that the fence will not stop every single illegal immigrant, so it does not make sense to build it at all.

Apply this argument to other areas of human endeavor...

Seatbelts will not save every motor vehicle crash victim, so we might as well just remove them from all cars.

Condoms will not prevent all unintended pregnancies or STDs, so we might as well just throw them away and have at it!

The list goes on and on!


8 posted on 04/30/2008 5:34:19 AM PDT by gridlock (Proud McCain Supporter since February 8, 2008.)
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To: fweingart
FYI:

The Merida Initiative

So, why is it imperative that the US fund Mexico's own southern border fence next to Guatemala to the tune of $1.4 Billion of US taxpayers' money?????

9 posted on 04/30/2008 5:38:32 AM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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“Only 80 to 100 ocelots remain in South Texas. Their survival depends on crossing into Mexico to breed.”

Now that’s a big stretch there.


12 posted on 04/30/2008 5:43:55 AM PDT by Sybeck1 (It's truly bad when your Savior in November is Judas Himself.)
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It won't get any better for Mexicans until the Mexican government is forced to admit their system is a failure and must be reformed. Dumping their surplus population on the US will only put off that day of reckoning until the US refuses to accept the surplus or the US system is sufficiently damaged that it is no longer able to offer a better way.
14 posted on 04/30/2008 5:48:20 AM PDT by 2001convSVT ("People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence")
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I think we should just play the Marine Corps Hymn for any visiting Mexican politician to remind them that it’s better to be a good neighbor than to once again have the US Marines sitting in your capitol. ( of course then the streets would be safe, and the administration would not be corrupt.)


15 posted on 04/30/2008 5:48:56 AM PDT by Waverunner ( "Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so too." Voltaire)
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DHS has had to take property owners to court just to survey land.

That has been THE biggest hold up to completing the fence. Right of way needs to be surveyed, roads built, materials moved in, and the owners, about 150 of them, have fought tooth and nail to keep the fence from being constructed and DHS off their land.

Now, there have been a LOT of FReepers here that have done nothing but Bush Bash about the fence not being completed with little or no knowledge of the facts.

The money is there.

The materials are there.

The workers are ready.

BUT, the DHS is bound by the rule of law. Property rights, and due process are the basis of the nation.

What bothers me more than anything else, is the property owners have more interest in personal gain rather than national security. Some have been unwilling to even sit down and talk with DHS and have been unwaivering in their claim to denying access.

The travesty here is the government is duty-bound to protect and defend, and whatever is necessary to accomplish that should be done. Had the owners been a lot more patriotic, rather than personal gain driven, the fence would have been finished 4-5 years ago.

16 posted on 04/30/2008 5:51:06 AM PDT by Pistolshot (When you let what you are define who you are, you create racial divisiveness.)
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“...this scum of society ...”

I joined freerepublic not too long ago though I’d been lurking here for years ...thanks to the recommendation of a good friend who is a retired Air Force pilot. I have always appreciated the sound conservative logic and good humor that I usually find here. I also like the fact that several members here have the time and the skills to do excellent research.

I am 100% in favor of whatever it takes to REALLY secure our borders. I do not favor illegal immigration of any sort. The Hispanics whom I know do not favor it either. They tell me that one of the things they most admired about THIS country was the fact that we actually FOLLOW the LAW....because in most of their countries, though they have good laws, they are seldom followed....and many of their public officials can be bribed. They have great love for this country and they follow the legal processes with pride. (I’m speaking of those I personally know.)

I understand that many illegal immigrants who come here are not educated and that some are criminals but that does not make them the “scum of the earth.” It makes them lawbreakers and the proper consequences of the law MUST be applied...but let us please remember that they are people created by God who were not blessed to be born in the United States. The vast majority who come here do so for economic survival.

I think we are all frustrated with the way we have let this problem get WAY out of hand. However, I do think that it was a problem that we all ignored UNTIL it got out of hand. Many ‘good’ citizens were more than pleased to hire illegals because they did not need to be paid much (this applied to private individuals as much as certain businesses).

I hope that Mexico can be a friend of ours since this is sound policy for our national interests (especially those that deal with security and the economy).


21 posted on 04/30/2008 6:04:12 AM PDT by SumProVita ("Cogito ergo sum pro vita." .....updated Descartes)
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I wonder what the Guatemalans think of Mexican immigration policy? Bullying? Disrespectful?
23 posted on 04/30/2008 6:12:15 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (A Conditional Constitutional Right is not really a right.)
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If the staff of the Miami Herald thinks that fences don’t work then I’ll personally pay to have every one of those people have the locks removed from the doors on their houses. They can lead by example.


24 posted on 04/30/2008 6:15:06 AM PDT by navyguy (Some days you are the pigeon, some days you are the statue.)
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If anyone needed any final proof that the Miami Herald has sucked down every last drop of the pro-illegal-invasion Kool-Aid, here you go.

Florida Freeper


25 posted on 04/30/2008 6:21:45 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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"Keeping out farmworkers, dishwashers and wait staff does little to make our country safer"

There is abolutely no need for restaurant workers, dishwashers, landscapers, etc. to be brought into the nation. These are zero value-added occupations. If the lawn remains uncut, too bad. Clean your own pool or pay a citizen to do it for you.

28 posted on 04/30/2008 6:44:02 AM PDT by MSF BU (++)
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Yet national security does not..... justify the potential environmental damage and human ill-will this fence poses.

This guy thinks we should be willing to give up our nation and our freedom to save a few ocelots and keep the socialists in Mexico happy? What happened to “our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor” ??

29 posted on 04/30/2008 6:44:32 AM PDT by Old North State
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OUR OPINION: NO OFFICIAL SHOULD HAVE SUCH POWER TO IGNORE U.S. LAW

SO DOES THAT INCLUDE US IMMIGRATION LAWS ??????

33 posted on 04/30/2008 7:04:40 AM PDT by txdoda (Voters to Gov't .......Re: post 9-11 Border Security....... ""The results are Unacceptable."")
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No one government entity should have such sweeping authority to ignore laws that protect individual or collective rights.

ah, the irony. Leftists use sweeping government power all the time to violate individual rights.

Flushed your toilet lately? And how about that banning of incandescent bulbs?

34 posted on 04/30/2008 7:04:53 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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